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allisont


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Hi All..

My client buys salvage, non runners from Online Vehicle Auction - he uses the Marginal Rate scheme.

An example purchase invoice is...

vehicle price  £3650

Buyers premium £330.50

VAT on charges £66.10

Net total £3980.50

VAT total £66.10

Invoice Total £4046.60

 

Client's Stock books shows purchase cost of £3980.50 (£3650 + £330.50) for the calculation of the VAT margin.

He then claims Net Cost ZERO, VAT £66.10... as an input VAT claim on his Profit & Loss Account

 

My question is... is that correct?  I wondered if it should be £3650 as Stock Purchase price for the Margin Calculation.

Then Buyers premium £330.50 + VAT £66.10 as Other Direct Costs in the Profit & Loss Account.

Have read that if VAT is included you cannot use Margin.  The VAT is purely on the Buyers Premium.. not on the car purchase.

 

Sorry hope you can follow... have googled HMRC website but struggling to confirm.  Would like to get it as near as possible for MTD compliance in the future.

Thanks for any advice.

 

Many thanks for any advice.



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Allison
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Hi Allison
I would suggest that this is not an MTD query.

Do they specifically mention margin scheme for the vehicle purchase?

What does he do with the vehicles when he has purchased them - does he break them all up or are some then sold on whole? Or parts?

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Hi Joanne

Yes client has used Margin Scheme for a number of years and says he had a previous VAT inspection which was accepted.
He repairs them and sells them on.
Some I think he keeps for parts.

Thanks for your reply.
Allison

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Hi Allison

My understanding is that auction houses will charge VAT on additional services (hammer price etc) when an item is inelligible for the margin scheme. So are these vehicles actually vans? Or purely cars?

I would suggest he contacts the auction house and advises them that he is running a VAT registered business so they can update their records with his VAT number (as that might be causing an issue).

Then I would ask for a separate invoice for the buyers premiums. That way he can then ensure he gets a separate and properly worded margin scheme invoice for the car itself and claim the VAT back on the buyers premium without restricting any onward claim on the sale of the vehicle.

But by doing what you have suggested he has done here, I would say he has double claimed the VAT back anyway.

See VAT guide 718/1 - section 8, paying note to 8.5.
HTH



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