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jonboy82


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Hi there this may sound a bit stupid, but i have chosen to try a joute in accounts.
As i am unemployed at the min and as i get free learning i have chosen sage line 50 level1 through to 3... So i was wondering what sage is eqaul to in other qauls like ICB or AAT. Also What will i be able to do job wise when completing all 3 levels (hopefully as i am waiting on reasult on my lvl1).
Just one more question...... if i complete lvl3 what is the next thing i should do or what area should i be looking in to futher my accounting skills.

Thanks for any help that might be posted.


Jonboy82.

P.s I didnt mean its stupid.. as in the accounts side.... I ment the questions i was asking.

Thanks again

-- Edited by jonboy82 on Tuesday 2nd of March 2010 11:49:14 AM

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If you are getting free training, see if you can get onto the AAT course. This will have modules of Sage in it I believe but you will learn about bookkeeping and accountancy and at Technician level you will learn some tax too. If you just learn Sage you will learn how to use the software and there will be gaps in your knowledge as the software will be doing much of the work without you realising, i.e. when you put one entry in, Sage will automatically post the opposite entry (for double entry bookkeeping purposes). Having said that there are jobs about that specify Sage knowledge, but if you go that route try to learn what goes behind the scenes. AAT is the most comprehensive way but ICB would probably be quicker (But it is unlikely you will get free training for that).

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Hi Jon,

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

it's a crowded market place (don't believe a word that tuition providers tell you as they're just trying to get bums on seats).

A computerised bookkeeping / accounts package such as Sage or Quickbooks is an important add on but you couldn't sell yourself as a bookkeeper on Sage knowledge alone as you need to understand whats happening under the bonnet so that you are able to apply journals correctly.

Some of the training providers throw in sage training at a discounted rate as an add on.

If you want a job in bookkeeping rather than self employment you should be looking at AAT.

If you are considering self employment then IAB or ICB would be sufficient although it would still be better to take the AAT route.

If you are new to bookkeeping then I would suggest either the AAT ABC Bookkeeping course or Open University bookkeeping certificate (course B190) as an introduction.

No matter which route that you take there is no guarantee of employment.

If you eventually go self employed remember that you will need Professional Indemnity Insurance and cover for Money Laundering either directly with HMRC or via practice level membership of a supervisory body such as the IAB or ICB.

Good luck with whatever route you take (I would strongly advise AAT).

kind regards,

Shaun.




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Hi, JonBoy

Glad to hear you are getting your training paid for.
Is it from the JobCentre ?    If so,  what is the funding scheme called ?

I've just had one funding application turned down 'coz I've been out of work too long for that particular scheme.


cheers  biggrin




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Note to self: use more full stops and paragraphs!

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Morning Rob,

sounds like we're saying more or less the same thing in different ways again.



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Thank you for the advice... I think i can get ICB traing free on the course i am on so if i can i think i might go for it as its some more paper work under my belt. I will look into the AAT then and pricing to further my skills.

Thanks guys.

Jon.

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Morning Shaun,

Yes pretty much the same thing but I haven't quite mastered your eloquence!

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jonboy82


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Hi Pro.
Yeah i got mine through the JobCentre for free but i had to retake my English and Maths and get my Sage free, Its with Best Traing part of Learn Direct so just ask at JC aslo the place a am at can train me in ICB so i am looking into that aswell,

Hope this helps Pro.


Jon,

The couse is Called ESP.

-- Edited by jonboy82 on Tuesday 2nd of March 2010 12:44:56 PM

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Sorry Guys but the only exams I have are Cambridge institute of technology exam in SAGE and RSA 1 and 11 in Manual Book-keeping and may be I am lucky but I have had no trouble getting work or keeping my clients on the Book-keeping or Payroll front both as employed and self-employed over the last 12 years, and I am registered with HMRC for MLR and have PI Insurance. I think experience counts for a lot, and also the fact that I know my limitations which I make clear to the client, which is to trial balance generally, some clients will expect an accountant for Book-Keepers wages though, I think you need to understand how far you need to go and what you can offer as a personal service for their business type. A recent client I have just taken on advertised and got 20 replies for a Book-keeper, but not one of them had a Sage examination certificate, they all wanted to do his books in their own way or on their own accounts system or spreadsheets, all he wanted was a Bookkeeper who wasSage trained or had some certification in Sage, so a lot of it is meeting the clients requirements, I feel.

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That's a fair point Sue and I'm certainly not decrying Sage in any way, it is the industry standard and all of my monthly/quarterly clients are on it, but I think if Jon is getting his training paid for and he is looking to broaden his accounting knowledge than AAT is the longer term aim. Having said that I do not have AAT, ICB or Cambridge Institute of Technology so your point is not lost on me (But I do have a Lurcher!)

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-- Edited by Sue T on Tuesday 2nd of March 2010 03:48:31 PM

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"But I do have a Lurcher!)" Rob

So should every Book-keeper - its an Asset ! or may be an Expense!  lol

-- Edited by Sue T on Tuesday 2nd of March 2010 03:49:52 PM

-- Edited by Sue T on Tuesday 2nd of March 2010 03:50:20 PM

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