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Hi

I have been reading some of the threads here about how to deal with CIS on a computerised system. My query is a bit strange.

I am newly qualified but have been dealing with my husbands accounts manually (soon to move them onto Sage for his new financial year).

I have a CIS account (he is a sub-contractor) with a debit balance.
I am not sure how I should be showing this on the balance sheet I have created, as it is not an asset his company hold (HMRC hold the funds) - should I show it as a reserve ? - but then I would need to show it going out again as I would not want to carry that figure over. Or should I show it as a current asset and show the outgoing in the current liabilities ?

The other option I thought of was to show on the P&L a section as CIS to be paid.

I am getting myself so confused with this one - I did ring ICB (as a practising member - although hubby is my only client so far!!) but they were not sure either.

Hope someone can understand what I am going on about and offer some advice.

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Shirley     confuse.gif

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Shirley

Not 100% sure whether you can access this link

If not go to Sage website and create a log in, go to AskSage and see article 11223 (11325 for cash accounting VAT)

http://ask.sage.co.uk/Scripts/ask.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=11223&p_req_pass=1&p_created=1116547200&p_sid=5W2o6y-j&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9ODEmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1DSVM*&p_li=cF91c2VyaWQ9MzE4OTYyOSZwX3Bhc3N3ZD1wYXNzd29yZCZwX2xpX3Bhc3N3ZD1yaWRkbGVkJnBfZmlyc3RfbmFtZT1XaWxsaWFtJnBfbGFzdF9uYW1lPVJvYmVydHMmcF9lbWFpbD13ZWxsYS5yb2JlcnRzQHRpc2NhbGkuY28udWsmcF9jY2ZfNT02MjQ4MTExMCZwX2NjZl84PTM0NywzNTAsMzUxLDM0OSwzOTAsMzQ4LDM1MiwzNTUsMzU2LDM1NCwzOTEsMzUzLDMxMSw5MDgsOTA3LDkwOSw5MTEsOTEyLDkxMA**&p_topview=1#section7


From what I have read, you need to create a N/C 3150 in the capital/ reserves section
+ 2150 in current liabilities but it does seem not staright forward

Bill

-- Edited by Wella on Wednesday 28th of April 2010 02:43:43 PM

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Perhaps post to 'other debtors'?

I assume this will be offset against CT in which case I believe it needs to go onto the P35.

Rob

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Ah Guru Bill seems to have it!

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Hi Bill

Thanks for that - I have read through it, which shows me how to deal with it for next year - once I've got him computerised (metaphorically of course !).

With a view to this years (manual) accounts, how do you think it best to deal with this debit balance on the CIS as I have it on the current assets at the moment which doesn't seem right !

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Shirley

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Just to add, I am not if I read it correctly but I am sure I read somewhere that Sole Traders don't actually need a balance sheet - in which case I am fussing about nothing.

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Ah, you have suggested this was a company Shirley, but you are right theer is no statutory legislation for a Balance Sheet to be prepared for a sole trader. To be honest I tend to just complete a tax return for these kinds of subbies and if they want accounts I'll normally just prepare an income & expenditure account. they never seem to have a business bank account and besides the accountancy accrual theer sis little to go on a balance sheet for them!

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Shirley

If you still wanted to have a balance sheet (ready for change over) I suppose you could use the Sage format and apply it to a manual double entry set of books.

It may be good practice for you too. Hopefully you will get other clients that may want you do the same.

I have used the ICB technical help once, and wasn't that impressed with the speed of response (I emailed a question), or the non commital answer.

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Hi Rob

Didn't have difinitive answer but having trawled the Ask Sage articles in the past I knew I had seen something on the subject.

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Hi Bill,

I've never looked at the 'Ask Sage' articles but I may take a peek in future, probably got quite a few solutions to possible problems!

cheers

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