The Book-keepers Forum (BKF)

Post Info TOPIC: Exempt Purchases on VAT return


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 201
Date:
Exempt Purchases on VAT return
Permalink Closed


Some folks are confident that you should include vat exempt purchases in box 9 of the VAT return, in essence like zero rated items.

Others confidently state you don't include vat exempt items in box9, in essence like out of scope items

what's your opinion?

Dalbir
  

__________________

EalingMA in partnership with Arithmo Accounting Software for small business.

From £20 plus Vat per client per annum; No more excuses for small business owners and their accountants in managing their books on spreadsheets.



Expert

Status: Offline
Posts: 1609
Date:
Permalink Closed

I always thought exempt and zero rated were different things.

Zero rated should be shown and exempt shouldn't in my view.

__________________
Steve


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 595
Date:
Permalink Closed

Hi,

I agree with Steve. Zero rated should be included in your VAT accounts and exempt should not.

quoting HMRC:

Exempt supplies are not taxable for VAT. So you do not include sales of exempt goods or services in your taxable turnover for VAT purposes. If you buy exempt items, there is no VAT to reclaim.

This is different to zero-rated supplies. In both cases VAT is not added to the selling price, but zero-rated goods or services are taxable for VAT - at 0 per cent.



__________________

Attila



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1329
Date:
Permalink Closed

Zero-rated and exempt supplies should be on the VAT return. The only items not appearing are the "outside the scope of VAT". In SAGE that means T0 and T2 (zero-rated and exempt) appear on the VAT return, whereas T9 (outside scope) do not.

T2 are items such as postage and insurance.

T9 are journals, wages, bank charges, etc.

The difference being that zero rated and exempt can still be VAT'd if the government wants whereas outside scope allegedly can't.

__________________

Advice from beyond the grave!!!

E&OE



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 595
Date:
Permalink Closed

Hi Sheila,

This is a quote from Business Link:

There are some goods and services that are exempt from VAT. Exempt goods and services are not taxable for VAT, so if you supply them, then:

you don't charge any VAT on them
you don't include them in your VAT accounts
you don't put them on your VAT Return
you can't normally claim back the VAT on related purchases

http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1082381360&type=RESOURCES



__________________

Attila



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1329
Date:
Permalink Closed

Hi Atilla

From HMRC website

"5.6 Box 6

Put in box 6 your total sales/outputs excluding any VAT. Include:

* standard-rated supplies including road fuel scale charges (see Notice 700/64 Motoring expenses)
* supplies to VAT registered traders in EC Member States; supplies to non-VAT registered or private individuals in EC Member States (distance sales)
* zero-rated supplies, including export supplies
* exempt supplies
* any other business income
* reverse charge transactions
* purchases under the special accounting scheme for gold
* supplies which are outside the scope of UK VAT under the Notice 741 Place of supply of services
* deposits for which an invoice had been issued
* own goods transferred to other EC Member States and
* supplies to customers in EC Member States on a sale or return basis.

5.7 Box 7

Put in box 7 your total purchases/inputs excluding any VAT. Include:

  • imports
  • acquisitions from EC Member States
  • reverse charge transactions and
  • special accounting scheme for gold transactions.

If you buy goods under the Margin Schemes, include the full purchase amount.

If you enter anything in box 9, also include it in the box 7 total.

See also common items for boxes 6 and 7 below.

5.8 Things to remember when completing boxes 6 and 7

Leave out:

  • VAT itself
  • wages and salaries
  • PAYE and National Insurance contributions
  • money put into and taken out of the business by you
  • loans, dividends, and gifts of money
  • insurance claims
  • Stock Exchange dealings (unless you are a financial institution)
  • MOT certificates
  • motor vehicle licence duty
  • Local Authority rates and
  • income which is outside the scope of VAT because it is not consideration for a supply.


5.9.2 Box 9

Enter the total value of all acquisitions of goods from other EC Member States, including any goods acquired by you from another member state, even if no actual purchase is involved or the person invoiced is located outside the EC.

If you enter anything in box 9, include the amount in the box 7 total."

 

Sheila



__________________

Advice from beyond the grave!!!

E&OE



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 595
Date:
Permalink Closed

interesting :) my first quote was from hmrc...

__________________

Attila



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 1329
Date:
Permalink Closed

Hey ho, that's HMRC for you.

__________________

Advice from beyond the grave!!!

E&OE



Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 201
Date:
Permalink Closed

Maybe we should do a poll on whether exempt purchases should be appended to total purchases in box 9 of vat return or not

2 nos 1 yes  for exempt to be appended to return

so far



-- Edited by Dalbir on Thursday 2nd of September 2010 01:50:18 PM

__________________

EalingMA in partnership with Arithmo Accounting Software for small business.

From £20 plus Vat per client per annum; No more excuses for small business owners and their accountants in managing their books on spreadsheets.

Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us
Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
©2007-2024 The Book-keepers Forum (BKF). All Rights Reserved. The Book-keepers Forum (BKF) is a trading division of Bookcert Ltd. Registered in England Company Number 05782923. 2 Laurel House, 1 Station Rd, Worle, Weston-super-Mare, North Somerset, BS22 6AR, United Kingdom. The Book-keepers Forum and BKF are trademarks of Bookcert Ltd. This forum is a discussion forum only. There will usually be more than one opinion to any question and any posting should not be viewed as a definitive solution. No responsibility for loss occasioned to any person acting or refraining from action as a result of any posting on this site is accepted by the contributors or The Book-keepers Forum. In all cases, appropriate professional advice should be sought before making a decision. We reserve the right to remove any postings which are offensive, libellous, self-promoting or engaged in covert marketing. We will not notify users of removals. The views expressed in the forum posts are those of the individual and do not necessary reflect or agree with those of The Book-keepers Forum. Any offensive or unsuitable posts will be removed by the moderators. Any reader of this forum can request for a post to be looked into by sending an email to: bookcertltd@gmail.com.

Privacy & Cookie Policy  About