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Hi everyone,

Just came across this forum for the first time, great stuff!

Quick question - ive been book-keeping for a few years now but have just picked up my client who operates a retail business with till floats - where do the till shortages go on the accounts - as an expense??

Seems odd as I would of thought an expense, especially a tax deductible one (if thats the case) would be open to abuse by larger firms?

Ive tried searching the net for this but there just like there is no information on the subject....

Hoping for some help here!


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Immo


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Hi there, I also have a retail company and I have a sage nominal code set up called cash reconcilation variences in about the 8000 code and then do in a bank payment or receipt to that code so that the accountant can identify it and they then advise me how they want to clear it off. Hope this helps.

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Hi,

It is originally set as an expense in sage, I changed it to suspense a/c range and let the accountant deal with it at year end...

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Hi Immo

I also do the same as Attila - using nominal code 9997 Till Differences, leaving it to the accountant at the year end.

Kind regards

Lynda

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Great, thanks for the replies!

Does anyone know what the accountants do with it on the accounts? (Always of interest)

I

-- Edited by Immo on Wednesday 10th of November 2010 01:21:50 PM

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I bet some accountants will lose it as an expenses somewhere in the profit & loss depending on the value. Probably stick it in Purchases, or even offset it against sales. You could even put in a nom code similar to bad debt write off. Hell it could even be put into drawings if its a sole trader or partnership.

The problem you have is that its unaccounted for cash ie its either been stolen or wrong change has been given etc...

In a sense it is lost revenue, so if they are trying to reconcile the cash received to a sales figure and that sales figure is used for accounting purposes, then yes, treat the loss as an offset to sales.

obviously their could be VAT implications to look at, but I think any business operating a till or cash float would expect some minor differences and to me £10 would be a lot, but to other its not.

I'm sure there is a correct way written in some obscure HMRC guidline booklet somewhere, but in the accountancy world, you have to look at whether the difference is material or not and whether the difference is an acceptable or reasonable amount.

Thats my take anyways!!





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Great reply thanks Merlion, that was my thinking but I just couldnt find an HMRC manual or anything in any GAAP manual I have on the subject....

If anyone else has anything to add to this carry on, good stuff!

I

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Try this link

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/BIM45855.htm

Basically losses and theft are an allowable expense

Also this link whic is the index to various types of losses

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/BIM45850.htm

HTH

Bill

Edit just noticed that BIM45851 is more appropriate (see index link) as it covers employee negligence. Same outcome though, an allowable expense

-- Edited by Wella on Thursday 11th of November 2010 10:45:42 AM

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@Bill - excellent! Thanks a lot, just think kind of extra detail I was interested in.

Thanks all for the excellent informative replies.

I

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