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Hi there,

How do i treat depreciation on the Tax Return for cars and equipment?

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Amanda

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Hi Amanda,

you don't.

Depreciation is an accounting concept to give a true and fair view of the entities affairs.

Depreciation is an integral part of one of the fundamental concepts (The matching concept (see FRS18 and also FRS15)) where expenditure is matched against income in the period to which it relates.

However, for tax computations you ignore the depreciation used in your accounts and use capital allowances / AIA (Annual Investment Allowance) instead.

Thats why the tax very rarely matches up to the calculated profit of a company.

Hope that this helps,

Shaun.

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Hi Shaun,

Many thanks for your prompt response.

How do I calculate capital allowances or AIA when this is the first time i've done this persons books?

I know the car is 4 years old and equipment is 3.

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Amanda

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You should have a copy of last years tax return and calculations from whoever did it previously. You can then follow on from those figures.

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I'm afraid i don't....what should I do!?!

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Are you able to get one?

If the equipment is a few years old then AIA wont be applicable. Without any previous info you could start from when they were bought and work out what allowances are likely to have been claimed each year to get to a current value and then take your allowances from that.

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Hi Amanda,

sorry that I didn't reply immediately but being a busy little bee today.

Jenny has hit the nail on the head though. If you don't have the tax returns then if possible work backwards to purchase prices.

The likelihood is that for the equipment the AIA will have been taken in it's entirety in the year of purchase. The depreciation is then only a catch up excercise with the financial reality.

The car may be more problematic. Is it registered in the companies name? What is the division of usage? Is it run through the company or does the owner take the mileage allowance?

I think that really you could do with having a sit down with the owner of the business and / or talk to the previous bookkeeper.

It is important that somewhere the company keeps a record as to how their tax was calculated for each year.

You might want to inform the owners of the business that HMRC can go back 7 years (6 plus current) and if anything is found to be amiss that they can actually go back all the way to inception of the company.

Just mentioning that may prompt them to tell you in which back drawer all of the annual files are stored in.

Good luck with this one. I know that it's a real pain when you have clients who only give you half of the facts that you actually need.

All the best,

Shaun.

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Hi both,

Thanks for all you help.

I'm afraid we can't get hold of the previous years.

I will have to work it back like you say.

The car is actually a van and is 100% business use and is run through the company.

How many years can you claim the 20% WDA car allowances for?

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You can claim it for as many years is needed until either there is nothing left to claim, or the item is disposed of.

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Brill - thanks for all your help.

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Yep, I concur with Jenny.

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Hi again,

The Van was bought in 2006 for £8,520 with a part exchange of £2,500 so total cost was £6,020.

Would this be my calculation for capital allowances year on year:-

2006-07 20% £1,204.00
2007-08 20% £963.20
2008-09 20% £770.56
2009-10 20% £616.45 for this years tax return?


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WDA was 25% in 06/07 and 07/08

There were also FYA's of 50% available.


-- Edited by BudgetB on Monday 31st of January 2011 01:55:02 PM

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Thank you

So it would be:-

2006-07 £6,020 - 50% = £3,000

2007-08 £3,020 25% = £755
2008-09 £2,265 20% £453
2009-10 £1812 20% £362 for this years tax return?

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The first figure would be £3010

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Were there no restirctions is 2006-07 then?

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Hi Amber


Asset NBV £ 6.020 Reducing Balance year 1 50%then 20% per year

06-07 DEP £3.010 NBV£3.010

07-08DEP £ £602.00NBV£ 2.408

08-09DEP £481.60NBV£ 1.926.40

09-10 DEP£385.28NBV£ 1.577.12

10-11 DEP£315.44NBV£ 1.261.68

 

Ho sorry amber just seen that you had given 25% for year 07-08 so have to re do it lol sorry

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-- Edited by nautica on Monday 31st of January 2011 02:39:54 PM

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It's a van not a car, and it's not worth over £12k, so no.

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Ok thanks all.

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