Payroll services to customers - The Book-keepers Forum (UK)

Noola · Senior Member

Payroll services to customers

MarkS · Expert

Hi Noola

Dont know how other payroll packages work but i know with SAGE that you can get multi-client versions where you can set up more than one client on the same package (same as for accounts).

Regards

MarkS

Peasie · Expert

Payroll Manager from Moneysoft is the same - you can get multi-client versions. As is 12pay.
Both of these will be cheaper than Sage.

K3 Accounting · Veteran Member

When logging in to Sage with the multi-company version you get a list of the different companies you run the payroll for.

Simply click on the required company - simples!

Works exactly the same as Sage 50 multi-company as already mentioned.

There is a vast amount of payroll software on the market with similar set-ups at varying prices all normally offering free trials.

Have to say that I love Sage and despite what many others say I think its product and support are first class value for money.

I find in life you get what you pay for - as I'm sure we all tell our clients!!!

Ken

Donna CBK · Senior Member

Believe it or not I use Sage Software !
You can purchase the accounts and payroll in multi user - and yes like Ken, used for years and still think its brilliant.

Unlike the accounts software I would always recommend yearly updates and support for the payroll.
Can always price for you !!

YLB-HO · Guru

I use moneysoft payroll 100 - have done for years. I get regular updates as the system checks for one every time I use it.

I have moved quite a few business, including accountants/payroll bureaus from both Sage & Iris to Moneysoft and not one have not regretted it - most origonally moved due to problems with updates either causing problems or not being available when needed, and got the additional bonus of paying less.

I don't know if Sage allows it, but with Moneysoft I can submit end of year returns early. I had 2 sole traders sell their businesses during 2010 to Ltd Companies, and a few weeks after I submitted the last p45's via the software, the HMRC wrote to me asking to submit the end of year returns etc, so they could close the payrolls. I was able to do in in minutes - submit the P14, P35's etc. When my P35 reminders came through, last month I didn't get any for these payrolls as the HMRC already had everything they needed for 2010/11. Last year I had all my payrolls finished including P11ds (as moneysoft does them too) before the HMRC stopped submissions at the end of March!

-- Edited by YLB-HO on Friday 4th of March 2011 07:51:59 PM

Julies bookkeeping · Veteran Member

I use sage and by far the best, used money soft at a new clients to finish the year, it would not let us submit to HMRC as we had not paid to update for a new year, as they were outsourcing this to me there was no point. I thought this was very naughty as it was finishing a year they had already paid for. I certainly would not look into that option if I fell out with sage.

YLB-HO · Guru

Julies bookkeeping wrote:

I use sage and by far the best, used money soft at a new clients to finish the year, it would not let us submit to HMRC as we had not paid to update for a new year, as they were outsourcing this to me there was no point. I thought this was very naughty as it was finishing a year they had already paid for. I certainly would not look into that option if I fell out with sage.

The licence must have run out during the previous year end. I have never had the problem you mention - but I have had it with Sage. I thought at first it was Sage you were talking about.

About 6 years ago, one of my client did not want to pay for another year for Sage payroll (due in January) and Sage would not give them the update to allow them to do the end of year return. They moved to Moneysoft without any problem.

Now with moneysoft everything needed to do a end of year return is there from the beginning of the tax year - the updates now tend to be just the HMRC changes only, so if the licence is not paid, then moneysoft will not allow submission the following year.

Julies bookkeeping · Veteran Member

It was paid for the whole year, they did not renew for following year hence being unable to submit that years.

Donna CBK · Senior Member

I too have never had a problem with Sage but I have also used Quickbooks and I found this a totally different matter and complicated to change figures.

gbm · Guru

Anyone know whether Sage Payroll includes filing monthly CIS returns?

annepebo · Veteran Member

I've not ued sage payroll for a couple of years, but then it did not handle CIS at all. Sage line 50 has the CIS module which does file the monthly returns to HMRC and for the subbie too and posts the tax automatically via the subcontractor (supplier) record. But that module is in my opinion (although I do have it, expensive for what you get)

I suppose strictly speaking CIS is not a payroll function, however I use Moneysoft now as everything re CIS is so much simpler, of course I also have to manually post into sage (via suppliers & CIS) but Moneysoft produces all the monthly returns (auto submission), monthly deduction statements and payslips. Will also handle retentions et etc etc, much simpler all round.

jillhicks · Veteran Member

I am considering purchasing Money soft for the new year.
I assume you filed year end returns last year without any problems? As I dont want to set up new clients and then get to the year end next year and have problems.

Jill

Donna CBK · Senior Member

CIS is in the accounts and not in payroll

gbm · Guru

Jill - I started using Moneysoft in 2007. I filed the 2006-07 P35's in Sage and then started in the new tax year. It's been a breeze since then. I think we've had to contact the helpline about 3 times, and everytime the query has been resolved quickly (and from memory, our fault!).

I think it was one of those situations where you say "well, it's cheaper than Sage, but it does CIS, and it does this, and this, and it's so much quicker - what's the catch?" There doesn't appear to be one!

I've used AccountingWeb much more than this forum, and the level of support for Moneysoft on there is phenominal. The biggest concern that users have is that the guy running it will sell up to one of the big players!!

On here, there also seems to be a lot of support for 12pay (I think!), which I've not tried so I don't know how that compares.

BC Boy · Veteran Member

I run both Sage and Moneysoft at the moment as I have more clients than Sage Licenses. I am very much a Moneysoft convert. It is so much simpler to use and I dont get the feeling of hands dipping in my wallet. Their support is great, the updates automatic. Everytime I have had an issue with Sage it takes ages to get through and then I'm told to get the "patch" update. I really do think that Goliath has met his match!!

olga · Newbie

hi there,
i hope you are all fine
i have a little confusion about something
-the inland revenue defines the term pay as being which of the following?
-holiday pay
-tax credits
-pay in respect of sickness or other absence from work
-salary,wages,overtime,bonusses,honoria,commission,perks.
thank you all for your support
king regards olga

gbm · Guru

annepebo wrote:

I suppose strictly speaking CIS is not a payroll function

Well ok it's not payroll, but: CIS monthly reports run to the 5th of the month, they are paid with PAYE, reported on the P35 - I think it's the old "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck" thing!