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I am a bit stuck on this one. I am curious as to the savings between soletrader and a limited company. Its just i have heard of some people saying about the savings but i have yet actually calculated this myself.

If the Net Profit is £87,730, i am looking to find out the tax payment from a soletrader and from a director with a salary of £6,475.

I have ran the figures tru online calculators and i have been able to follow the soletrader calculation.

However with the Dividend/salary section, i have been unable to follow all of it. Below is the calculations which the free online calculator has given me. I can follow everything up to the Net company profit of £64,115. However i have no been able to figure out how the £7,613.78 tax on dividend has been calculated.

I would be grateful if someone could explain this to me.

£87,730 Gross profit b4 Salary
£6,475 salary from gross profit
£96.64 Employers NI from gross profit
£83.05 Employees NI on basic salary
£81,158.36 new gross profit declared
£17,043.26 Corporation tax on gross profit
£64,115.10 Net company profit
£7,613.78 tax on £64,115.10 NET DIVIDEND
£24,836.72 Total taxation

My thanks for your help.
Mickey

-- Edited by Mickey on Monday 14th of March 2011 03:14:28 PM

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The tax on dividend is a tax credit of 10% of the GROSS DIVIDEND.

The divided paid is NET of the tax credit



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But having just checked your figures - they aren't correct - £7,613.78 plus £64115.10 = £71,728.88

£71239 Gross less 10% Tax (£7,123.90) + net dividend paid out of profit after CT = £64,115.10

- and you need to add extra because if someone really did take a dividend that high some of it would be liable for higher rate tax

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The other thing - the 10% tax credit is just that a tax credit for someone on Basic Rate tax. So this tax is not included in the total taxation figure - because its a paper figure. No tax is actually paid.




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Many thanks for your reply. I am simply trying to work out the tax savings.

From my calculations, income tax paid on soletrader profit/income of £87,730 is around £28,638. which is more or less thesame as the online calculator i used.

With regards to the salary/dividend, my calculation of the tax credit and the gross up amount is thesame as yours. Grosed up £71,239 and tax credit £7,123.9.

so do you then calculate 10% @ £37,400 with amounts over £37,400 @ 32.5% and then deduct the tax credit?

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Yes

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Did you know that if you pay a salary above the NI lower earnings limit, Primary Class 1 but below the Primary threshold, no National Insurance become due, but the person receives national insurance credits as if they had paid contributions!



-- Edited by YLB-HO on Monday 14th of March 2011 05:31:31 PM

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Gut feeling is that there would be tax savings from a company, which could be vastly helped if the shares were held by H&W, but we don't have sufficient info.

But at least the extra tax on the dividends is only paid if dividends above £43k and the directors can control when they are paid.

Sorry, not got time to do the sums!



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Many thanks for both your assistance.

I will have to do more research into dividend vs salary as i feel it could be something that i will encounter in future.

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