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Can anyone advise if a director of a limited company is required to submit a tax return? 

Basic info is that the director only receives a minimal salary of £6K p/a + divs of about £15K. No other income or investments. 

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Yes all directors should complete a tax return.

See following link to hmrc website

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/sa/need-tax-return.htm#1

 

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The only people required to file a Tax Return are those to whom a notice under S.8 TMA 1970 to deliver a Return has been sent.

Under S.7(1) there is an obligation to give notice of chargeability, but under Ss.7(3)-7(7), notice is not required if, broadly speaking, all the sources of income are liable to tax at source.

Section 7 refers to people who must notify HMRC that they are chargeable to tax.

Section 7(1) says everybody who is chargeable must notify HMRC, but you need to read on beyond that. Section 7(3)

A person shall not be required to give notice under subsection (1) above in respect of a year of assessment if for that year his total income consists of income from sources falling within
subsections (4) to (7) below and he has no chargeable gains

If the director only has income which is already fully taxed there is NO need to make a notification under section 7

Company directors do not have to notify HMRC under section 7 simply by virtue of being a company director.

So the HMRC insistence that ALL directors should complete tax return has no foundation in law.

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Hi Frauke

Not for the first time HMRC website clearly contradicts legislation.

See below for HMRC website

"You must complete a return if you're any of the following:

  • a company director (unless you're a director of a non-profit organisation, for example a charity, and don't receive any payments or benefits)"

No wonder tax is confusing.

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MarkS



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Thanks for the replies, and sorry if I'm being dense, but does this mean a director has to do a tax return or not?

Section 7(3) seems to state no, but Marks' HMRC weblink says yes? hmm



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Has he had a notice to file a return?

I have one client, who when he set up a Ltd co, automatically got sent a SA notice. I believe Co House pass the information to HMRC, which generated the notice.



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JohnBoy wrote:

................................Section 7(3) seems to state no, but Marks' HMRC weblink says yes? hmm


 If no notice to file has been received (check online if poss) then the legislation overcomes HMRC guidance, no matter how strongly that is worded.



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If a director does not get a notice to file AND do not have a tax liability they don't have to do a tax return. They will not get in trouble in the future either for not doing it either.

Its only once they have a notice to file that they have to do it.



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