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It's the first time I've come across a VAT certificate!... and I'm unsure where to post it on Sage.

Can someone please advise - Many Thanks.



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Is it a C79 for import goods from HMRC?

If so you should have the actual invoice with the VAT on and import duty on it from the carrier.

If its the C79 you have to keep them and file them away just incase you are ever inspected.

HTH

PS if its not one of these, not sure what you have got!


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Amanda beat me to it - it's as she says, you should have the corresponding VAT invoice from your freight carrier, but you need to
keep the C79 to support your claim for the Input Tax.

(Assuming you have posted the Carrier's invoice correctly and are reclaiming the VAT)

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Hi Amanda,

Yes it's a C79. So I simply file it away then?...

As to the invoice it actually refers to, there's no reference to that! and I don't think my client knows where it's gone disbelief

As that's the case, I'm not sure how to deducted it off the next VAT return... and it amounts to more than £1000.00

Please can you advise me further?... Hope so.



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You will definately need the invoice that it relates to.

It won't say on there who the invoice belongs to it will have the agents ref number and the amount and the date I think.

You will have to tie it up with the invoice to make sure the amount that's on there is correct. If he can't find the invoice I suggest he contacts the courier and asks for a copy.
I wouldn't put it through without the invoice but its up to you at the end of the day. The invoice may also have on it duty and an admin charge plus the VAT, so you really do need the invoice.

What Software are you using?



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The way Sage recommend is as follows (Using £100 tax as an example). Post the invoice as normal to the following nominal code.

IMPORTS 5101Import VAT0.00T9100.00 This keeps it out of the VAT return

When the C79 arrives raise a journal and DR 2201 £100 with a T1 tax code and CR 2201 £100 with a T9 tax code. This reverses the original entry above, and brings it in to the VAT return.

 

If import duty is involved you would also add that to the invoice on 5101 with the duty at T0 and vat at T9, then add the VAT as above when the C79 arrives

 

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Thank you Amanda... Looking at the invoice it's difficult to see who the supplier is.

There is A/C info and a date... so I'll try to dig a little deeper...

The client has Sage One... so even if I find the Invoice I'm not sure where to input it... was thinking 'Other Expenses' ???
(I'm more familiar with Sage 50)

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Wella wrote:

The way Sage recommend is as follows (Using £100 tax as an example). Post the invoice as normal to the following nominal code.

IMPORTS 5101Import VAT0.00T9100.00 This keeps it out of the VAT return

When the C79 arrives raise a journal and DR 2201 £100 with a T1 tax code and CR 2201 £100 with a T9 tax code. This reverses the original entry above, and brings it in to the VAT return.

 

If import duty is involved you would also add that to the invoice on 5101 with the duty at T0 and vat at T9, then add the VAT as above when the C79 arrives

 

HTH

Bill

 

Thank you too Bill, But at the moment the actual invoice to which it relates is missing... Argh!

 

 

 


 



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Bucks Bodger wrote:

Amanda beat me to it - it's as she says, you should have the corresponding VAT invoice from your freight carrier, but you need to
keep the C79 to support your claim for the Input Tax.

(Assuming you have posted the Carrier's invoice correctly and are reclaiming the VAT)

Eunice


 Thank you too Eunice smile



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If it is just based on the C79 I would not claim it until it can be associated with an invoice.

Just occassionaly the courier gets it wrong and may have used the wrong company reference, and it may not be your companies VAT to claim back.

Do you have regular imports and couriers? I am pretty sure that the last number on the detail line is the couriers VAT number, so you may be able to check back from that, using the VAT number check facility at

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/

Bill



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Thank you Bill... I'll look very closely and I certainly will not be claiming it on the return until it is associated with an invoice!

Kindest Regards.


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A couple of ideas - I had an entry on the C79 the other day which i couldn't identify - I googled the VAT number and found out
which carrier it was !

Failing that, you could put the Agents VAT number on here and someone might be able to tell you who it is (if it's one of
the big ones).

Also, as an alternative to Bill' suggestion, here's how I deal with this kind of thing.

When the invoice for the goods comes from the supplier, code it with a VAT Code number used specifically for imports (we
use T6, making sure it's included in the VAT return). Then, when the invoice for the freight comes in, enter it with a net value
of zero, code T6 (or whatever code you use), and enter the VAT only in the VAT column. This will then get picked up on the VAT return.
if there is duty or handling charges as well, they can be coded to T0 in the usual way.



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Thank you everyone...

I googled the VAT number and identified the company which enabled me to request a copy invoice.
I based my enquiry on the net value of the invoice as I had the VAT figure.

Upon receipt of the invoice it became apparent that there was also another charge as Amanda had mentioned...
a static value duty of 1.7%

The invoice is for an electronic part shipped from Indonesia.
The invoice is detailed in the following way:

Statistic value duty £ 5000.00 1.7% £85.00
Statistic Value VAT £ 5085.00 20% £1017.00
Other Levy £ 5000.00 0% £ 0.00

Total for shipment Duty £ 85.00
Vat £ 1017.00
Other Levy £ 0.00
Special Clearance Services £ 0.00
Admin Fee £ 22.04
£ 1124.04

My question now is... Please can you advise which code to post the statistical value duty of 1.7% to,
or am I over analysing and should just put through the net value including this?

All advice would be most welcome and then I can finally complete the VAT return! Thank you.



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As you have the invoice and the C79 you can process it like any other invoice

Post the invoice to the couriers account as follows

Nom code 5101 Imports  with a description like Import VAT with no cost but VAT at £1000 withn T1 tax code

Nom code 5101 Imports with a description like Import Duty with £85 cost T1 tax code and vat @ £17

Nom code 5101 Imports with a description like Admin fees with £22.04 cost T0 tax code no VAT

 

5101 is a cost of sale for imports over and above the actual purchase cost from the supplier but you may have to create it

If you had received the invoice before the C79 you would have posted as follows

Courier Invoice       
 Nom Code  Value VAT  VAT code 
 5101 Import duty £        85.00    £        17.00   T9
 5101 Import VAT £               -     £  1,000.00   T9
 5101 Adin fees £        22.04    £               -    T0
         
Journal C79   DR   CR   
 2201 Import VAT  £  1,017.00       T1
 2201 Import VAT    £  1,017.00   T9


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Thank you Bill, that's a fantastic help!

This particular client has Sage One so I think I'll have to perhaps tread carefully on inputting,
I find it's not as straight forward as Sage 50.

Once again thank you - your help and clarification is much appreciated


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