I have been looking at the bookcert website as shown on your sidebar. Is bookcert part of the book-keepers forum or totally separate? Does anyone have any feedback on the package?
The bookkeepers forum is owned and run by the ever so nice people who designed, developed and market Bookcert so they can very much be thought of as one and the same despite being two seperate websites.
Personally I don't own a copy of bookcert as I was already too far along the path when I got into the business to justify the purchase although must admit that I have thought of buying it a couple of times (but at the reduced rate without the website or supprt).
The kit has been discussed before on the site several times so best approach would be to put this in a google search :
site:www.book-keepers.org.uk -mobile bookcert
HTH,
Shaun.
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It's just a shame about their insistence on using the hyphen in 'book-keepers'. I can understand it for the domain names, if the correct, non-hyphenated equivalents were already taken, but it isn't just the domain names - they use the hyphen all over the place. And it really annoys me!
Why? Correct use of English spelling and grammar helps present a professional image*, and "The Book-keepers Network" has a blatant spelling mistake in its title and littered throughout its website, which strikes me as detrimental to any professional image otherwise projected - and that the spelling mistake is on the key word that describes the very nature of the work to which the network relates just exacerbates that.
It's "Boookkeepers" damn it, not "Book-keepers" ! GAAAAAAAH!
Their address is in Bristol**. I'm almost tempted to go pop in and give them a good telling off about it.
Micro-rant over. :)
* Says the person who doesn't wear a suit and tie, and only shaves every week or two. And who used to turn up at clients in an off-road vehicle plastered in mud from the preceding weekend. :)
** In fact on the very same road on which the chartered accountants were based, where I first worked.
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Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software
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Both are correct spelling dependant upon which dictionary you read or which institute you belong to.
Collins is book-keeper
Oxford bookkeeper
ICB are bookkeepers
IAB are book-keepers.
IAB have been around much longer.
all in all its six of one, half a dozen of the other.
I'm in the hyphenated camp (go on punk, make my day, lol).
all the best,
Shaun.
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your in the pay of the ICB aren't you with these suggestions of summary executions of all IAB people.
And here was me thinking that the demise of one of them would come by the other becoming the defacto qualification.
I hadn't thought that it would happen in a night of the long knives type fashion of one body simply taking out all of the members of the other in a one night orgy of slaughter.
Well, it would certainly settle old fueds... They just have to hope that all the accountancy bodies don't wade in on the side of the IAB after the ICB spreading their propoganda about accountants not being able to understand bookkeeping for so long.
Sure that the American Accountants would also get involved although they may not actually turn up for a few years.
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I rather think the different expansions - the first word in particular - may be a significant point in their different spellings of the word "bookkeepers".
I note that in a thread that shortly predates my joining the network and forum (which I might have done sooner, but the presence of the damned hyphen kept putting me off!), James from ICB commented that they'd previously used the hyphen, but changed it in 2006 to conform to the OED spelling. Good move.
In the same post, he notes that IAB use the hyphen in their name, but not always in their text - and looking at their site now, it's still like it. To me, that inconsistency is worse than always hyphenating the word.
It's fair to say that much as the hyphen put me off joining the network for a long time, if I was weighing up joining either IAB or ICB, the hyphen used by IAB would tip me towards ICB, and the inconsistent use of it moreso.
I'm quite anal about some things, and this is one such thing!
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Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software
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And the fact that the IAB qualification carries more exemptions is no never mind when it comes to choosing between those two then. lol
if that hyphen drives you to distraction I hate to think what my spelling does to you vince (admittedly my spelling is not helped at the moment by a keyboard that doesn't want to acknowledge the existence of the letter K (just writing that took sentence took more than a few backspaces). I should change it, I've got a dozen or more lying around but I like this one).
oh, and I just checked in the Oxford English-Russian dictionary in which book-keeper is hyphenated. OMG. Oxfords not consistent with itself either.
the spelling is interchangable. both are right, neither is wrong.
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It took a long time, but I've long since trained myself to ignore the spelling and grammar of individuals and simply try to read what they're trying to say, rather than what they may have actually said. This is largely because on forums, mailing lists, usenet groups and similar, you can't tell a great deal about the people making the posts, and you don't know how well educated or otherwise they are, so allowances have to be made*. Not to mention that many of the forums etc. I've used over the years are also inhabited by people for whom English is not their first language. (And their use of English is much better than my use of their language - any foreign language, for that matter, and sometimes English, too!)
It's also a well known, scientifically documented and proven fact - so fundamental that it's considered an unwritten rule of the Universe - whereby if someone points out others' spelling or grammatical mistakes, they are certain to have made mistakes themselves while doing so. The only acceptable way to point out a mistake is if it can be turned into a joke.
However, that's for individuals. I take a completely different attitude when it comes to companies and professional bodies. (I refuse to ever use Kwik Save or Kwik Fit due to the vile first word in their names, for example, and I wouldn't see the 2009 (?) version of "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" at the cinema because the titles had "Centre" spelt as "Center", even for the UK release. I've seen it, when it was broadcast on a TV channel I get, but I wouldn't specifically pay to see it. Uh-uh.)
FWIW, I actually failed English at school ('O' level grade D at English Language, with C and above being considered a pass, and completely ungraded for CSE English Literature) - and when I look back at my written English for the first however many years after I left school, it actually makes me want to invent a time machine so I can take a trip back and strangle myself just to save myself, all this time later, from having to hang my head in shame at how cringeworthy it was. Over the years, it's improved a great deal, though I still make plenty of mistakes (probably more grammatical mistakes than spelling mistakes if typos are excluded from the latter).
* Except when they are using 'text speak' totally unnecessarily. I absolutely love the hyphen in "Book-keepers" by comparison to the unnecessary use of that revolting corruption of our beautiful language. I'm not bothered by the sound of fingernails being scraped down a blackboard - but the effect that has on most people is the effect unnecessary text speak has on me.
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Bookkeeper Book-keeper... Who really gives a flying .... (expletives deleted, lol).
At least there is only one way to spell Accountant.
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But we won't take any notice of them as Americans can't spell properly (I on the other hand cannot spell properly but in my case it's by accident rather than design).
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