Im just wondering if anybody else has had this .. because Im a tad confused
I use Moneysoft payrol software - and one my clients, has had a notice from the HMRC for a non filing notice even tho I filed one in time ?!?
There was no FPS due this time - only an EPS for month end 05/12/13 - I filed this on 11/12/13 as Moneysoft doesnt let you file a EPS before 05/12/13. But for some reason Ive had a non filing notice from the HMRC.
A bit confused really ... any help greatly received
Same thing happened to me, Claire, I have a client for whom I do a weekly payroll, have always filed on time, but had a message regarding a late filing
for the period ended 5th December 2013 (I had filed on 3rd December). I rang HMRC, who could not explain why I had received the notice and suggested
I disregard it.
Just one of those glitches, which is OK at the moment, but what if it happens once they start to impose fines and/or penalties ?
www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/news101213.htm - A kind of 'help sheet' for HMRC explaining instances where we might receive a non filing notice although one has been filed. .. oh the joys !
HMRC have granted one of my three wishes for Christmas but for a limited period only. Small employers (9 or less) with weekly paid can file at the last pay day in a month until April 2016.
However, they've specifically advised that anyone who has started filing 'on or before' should carry on doing so. I imagine you'd all still receive late RTI notices if you were to deliberately not file until the last paid day in month.
New employers have not been granted this wish - and must file each time an employee is paid.
The thrust of RTI hasn't changed - the employer is responsible for supplying the earnings element of an employee Universal Credit claim.
Quote:- Reporting PAYE information in real time is vital to ensure that all employees claiming Universal Credit receive what they are entitled to. It is therefore important that micro employers make best use of this time, so that they are reporting on or before the date they pay their employees by April 2016 and before Universal Credit is fully rolled out.
I've received the same message regarding one of my clients, whose submission had been made on time.
I called HMRC to be told that it was a 'customer services' message and that they were aware that it may have left people believing that 'they had done something wrong'.
I was told to ignore the message if submissions had been made on time.
Re the Moneysoft users - worth dropping an email to them to let them know/make sure there are no glitches on their software and they can also add it to their forum info.
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Am I doing something wrong? I file on or just before the wages payment date, and that's all I do (I think that's an EPS?).. am I supposed to be sending something else, after the 5th?
All payments are simple gross less tax and nic, nothing else. I have never had a notice, so I assumed I was doing everything right, but as you know I am not a PAYE veteran
Am I doing something wrong? I file on or just before the wages payment date, and that's all I do (I think that's an EPS?).. am I supposed to be sending something else, after the 5th?
All payments are simple gross less tax and nic, nothing else. I have never had a notice, so I assumed I was doing everything right, but as you know I am not a PAYE veteran
That would be the FPS (Full Payment Submission)
The EPS (Employer Payment Summary) is if you want to inform HMRC there were no payments in the month, or if there had been any statutory payments (and recovery if applicable). Also if there were any CIS deductions suffered.
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Oops, have I got it the wrong way round? Silly me!
So am I doing things right, by just hitting submit when the payment is made? (Using basic tools).
I run the "amounts due to hmrc" once a month, but it doesn't tell me to submit anything. I just tell the client to make the payment. (I only do one payroll that generates a payable amount, and its a friend - but I wouldnt want to get it wrong!)
Am I doing something wrong? I file on or just before the wages payment date, and that's all I do (I think that's an EPS?).. am I supposed to be sending something else, after the 5th?
Hi Michelle
Happy New Year!
No not doing anything wrong by sounds of it - HMRC seems to have had a couple of blips - they started to send notices out in readiness for the real deal in April, which will then start the fining process off. Ive passed on some feedback to them a few weeks ago and they are trying to work through various scenarios - Im sure we will get the usual updates in the Employers and Agents updates (although if anyone has time to read those diatribes then they must work quicker than me!)
Jo
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Oops, have I got it the wrong way round? Silly me!
So am I doing things right, by just hitting submit when the payment is made? (Using basic tools).
I run the "amounts due to hmrc" once a month, but it doesn't tell me to submit anything. I just tell the client to make the payment. (I only do one payroll that generates a payable amount, and its a friend - but I wouldnt want to get it wrong!)
Hi again
I dont use basic tools, but assume the submit is to do the RTI bit? You dont have to wait until the payment is made, best before in fact as sometimes the HMRC website is not working/slow. I usually do it a day or so before, or at least once I know the wages calculation is correct, then I dont have to worry about it again until next week/next month. If you pay no wages you still have to submit - then its an EPS (nil return). If you dont do a report when HMRC expect it (ie on or before the pay date) then they will send out a notice and from next year - fine your client. There is a relaxtion of the rules to ensure its done before 5th of following month, but only until April (well so far Ive not heard its being extended) - so be aware of that.
Jo
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Ah ok, I shall bear that in mind, if I don't pay wages in a certain month. At the moment, I am just running £640 wages per month for all my directors, with the exception of my friends payroll. In basic tools, I just create the employee payment, like you say - on or before the payment date - and then submit it.
PAYE Real Time Information: package of help announced for micro employers
Existing employers with nine or fewer employees who need more time to adapt will be able to report PAYE information on or before the last payday in the tax month until April 2016.
More than 99 per cent of PAYE records are now successfully being reported in real time. Almost 93 per cent of active employers are now using the new processes to send PAYE information about their employees.
The vast majority of employers are finding reporting in real time straightforward, however HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) recognises that a small proportion of micro employers and their agents still need more time to adapt.
HMRC has therefore agreed that existing micro employers (and, where appropriate, their agents) who need more time will have up to two years to adapt their processes to ensure they are ready to report all payments in real time before April 2016.
All employers will be required to report PAYE each time they pay their employees by April 2016 (unless an exception applies - for example, in some limited circumstances employers have a week to report payments to casual workers). HMRC will be encouraging micro businesses to adapt their processes sooner to ensure that they are ready to report all payments each time they pay their employees by April 2016.
This is narrower than the current relaxation (see the link at the end of this page) which comes to an end in April 2014. The new relaxation will only apply to existing employers with nine or fewer employees.
Just wanted to quote this news release and highlight that the substance is the 2016 easement only applies to those who need more time and that it is not necessarily for all of the next 2 years.
