Just had a call from IRIS who were trying to figure if there was any software that they provided that I would buy off them.
They were asking about Payroll and I said that for the most part I outsource mine (sorry, I find Payroll really boring) but for one small payroll I use 12pay.
I was quite surprised at the response where the sales person said, no problem, its in the family as we bought them last year.
I didn't know that 12pay was part of the IRIS stable of products?
Is that right? I've read nothing about it anywhere.
There seemed nothing about the conversation for the sales person to make that up.
Just came as a bit of a shock as I thought that 12pay was still one of the independants out there.
lol, at the end of the chat the sales person was getting desperate to sell me something and asked what I looked for in bookkeping software to which I said "The absence of Sage in the name".
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Yes, 12Pay was sold to Iris towards the end of 2013. The business had developed to a size where I couldn't keep managing it as a one-man-band + support team and either the structure of the business needed to change a lot under my ownership, or it needed to be taken under new ownership that could provide appropriate management structures. I've been involved in managing/running larger businesses before and I didn't want to do so again again, so Iris's approach came at just the right time.
Several business/accounting websites including this one have been very supportive of 12Pay and this seems a good opportunity to thank people here for that support. I have really appreciated the kind words that have come my way from time to time.
I continue to work for Iris developing the product and offering technical support.
-- Edited by Tom McClelland on Monday 6th of January 2014 02:04:39 PM
Congratulations of the sale Tom, sounds as though it was the right time to let her go to one of the big guns out there.
Really hoping that this much loved product continues as is without too much outside interference though.
Will you still be able to continue offering advice on the site or will IRIS's growth plans make such untenable?
The questions that I'm sure are in all users minds will be, is 12pay to replace the seemingly less loved IRIS payroll or will the two run side by side or (God forbid) is the purchase an eradication of a sucessful competitor product with the bonus of acquisition of the development and support team in order to move the IRIS offering forwards?... On second thoughts, I'm sure that you are not allowed to answer that.
Wishing you a very happy and prosperous new year Tom. (I'm assuming that the prosperous bit is a given following the sale).
kindest regards,
Shaun.
-- Edited by Shamus on Monday 6th of January 2014 02:31:49 PM
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Will you still be able to continue offering advice on the site or will IRIS's growth plans make such untenable?
-- Edited by Shamus on Monday 6th of January 2014 02:31:49 PM
Thanks Shamus, I've decided for the moment to not give online advice. My views are inextricably associated with 12Pay, and sometimes I say things that are controversial, so it is safest from my point of view to keep my mouth shut.
Hi Tim Re-iterating Shaun's comments - well done on the sale, not seen anything in the news about that one! Im just hoping that IRIS dont start charging their expensive fees like they did for their payroll! More so that they keep their very helpful helpdesk staff (otherwise - if you leave completely I may have to hunt you down!!!!!!!!).
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I will continue to post here in direct and factual response to questions about 12Pay itself. But I will no longer post on general PAYE or business issues or concerning competitive products, as that doesn't seem appropriate now.
But I will no longer post on general PAYE or business issues
That part seems a shame as you are clearly a wealth of knowledge, which I for one (and Im sure many other son here) appreciate. Do understand about the competitive issues though
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Hi Tom
Can you help me with this one? Sorry to hijack this post!!
Hi
An employee was paid monthly up to end December for whole of 2013/2014 tax year - she has never paid any NI (pay to date £3776.99). Employer has changed some staff to weekly pay as of today. I use 12 Pay software - so added new payroll/moved staff and did they payroll yesterday.
One lady did 41 hours (some of which were done in December after a cut off date (hours vary massively but has never been more than 90 in a month, this year) so for her new weekly the pay was £258 pre deductions.
She has had £13.16 deducted for NI and has queried it as she has never paid it before and is likely to be under the threshold by the end of the year.
Wondering if I should have done something within the payroll to avoid it, or if there is anything I can do now? Or will it be rebated back to her in next weeks wage (someone suggested this would be the case if it was Sage)??
Help please and thanks!
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NI applies to each payment individually, so if you pay someone £258 in a weekly payroll they'll pay NI. I don't know how Sage could do it any differently, but then I don't know Sage software. Perhaps you should have started the weekly payroll a week earlier and put some of the payment into an earlier week... Did the employee earn that money in a single week or was it really a fortnight's pay in the first instance?
Hi Tom
In reality the pay was covering 2-3 weeks so I shouldve realised and asked the Director to run the payroll over a couple of weeks so they didnt take such a hit. Checked the three payrolls and it affects about 10 people. Is there anyway I can now re-set the weekly payroll to at least 7th Jan and 14 Jan (and maybe 31Dec, depending on what the owner says) and then split the hours/ re-calculate the payroll/roll it back?
Thanks
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1. rewind the affected employees to completely remove the affected weeks from their P11 (one week at a time, Rewind... button on PAYE tab)
2. Create a new payroll dated the week you want to go back to. Finish the creation with the "Advanced payroll setup" button
3. Drag the affected employees to that payroll
4. Run it forwards paying them the correct amount each week until they catch back up with everyone else. File RTI as you complete each week in this payroll for these 10 employees
5. Once they've caught up with everyone else drag them back to the main payroll.
