The Book-keepers Forum (BKF)

Post Info TOPIC: Making dividend payments and minimizing tax


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 47
Date:
Making dividend payments and minimizing tax
Permalink Closed


I am just reminding myself how this all works and would be grateful if someone could confirm my understanding:

 

Dividends are only payable out of distributable reserves

They tend to be paid interim and final

To declare a dividend the directors need to hold an EGM or is it just noted in the AGM?

 

For a director to minimise his tax bill, he would pay himself a salary that was below the point at which NI was paid and then top this up with a dividend at some point in the year. Is it still the case that you can pay a dividend up to the higher tax band and not attract further tax as company would have been tax corporation tax?

 

Is there any thing else that I need to think about, ie relevant paperwork that needs to be completed when a dividend is paid etc etc.

 

Many thanks for your time



__________________


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 287
Date:
Permalink Closed

Fiona46 wrote:

I am just reminding myself how this all works and would be grateful if someone could confirm my understanding:

 

Dividends are only payable out of distributable reserves

Thats the correct way yes, although some directors take a dividend without knowing if there will be sufficient profit

They tend to be paid interim and final Yes

To declare a dividend the directors need to hold an EGM or is it just noted in the AGM?  A meeting should be held, a dividend agreed and minutes recorded.  A dividend voucher should be issued.

 

For a director to minimise his tax bill, he would pay himself a salary that was below the point at which NI was paid and then top this up with a dividend at some point in the year.

A salary should be taken up to the personal allowance to gain full tax advantage. 

Is it still the case that you can pay a dividend up to the higher tax band and not attract further tax as company would have been tax corporation tax?

Yes.

 

 



__________________

John



Expert

Status: Offline
Posts: 1501
Date:
Permalink Closed

Fiona46 wrote:

I am just reminding myself how this all works and would be grateful if someone could confirm my understanding:

 

Dividends are only payable out of distributable reserves Yes

They tend to be paid interim and final  Yes

To declare a dividend the directors need to hold an EGM or is it just noted in the AGM? Just need a board minute and dividend certificate

 

For a director to minimise his tax bill, he would pay himself a salary that was below the point at which NI was paid and then top this up with a dividend at some point in the year. Is it still the case that you can pay a dividend up to the higher tax band and not attract further tax as company would have been tax corporation tax? Yes salary of £7956 per year and rest as dividends up to higher rate band which equates to maximum dividend of about £30,500.  Subject to there being distributable profits after tax to cover the £30,500 dividend.

 

Is there any thing else that I need to think about, ie relevant paperwork that needs to be completed when a dividend is paid etc etc. No just dividend certificate and minute

 

Many thanks for your time


 



__________________

Mark Stewart CA

http://stewartaccounting.co.uk/

Providing accounting, bookkeeping, payroll and tax services to small and medium sized businesses across Central Scotland and beyond.



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 47
Date:
Permalink Closed

Thank you both for your speedy response

__________________


Forum Moderator & Expert

Status: Offline
Posts: 11981
Date:
Permalink Closed

But be careful with the advice if it's a PSC which may come under IR35 legislation making dividends only available out of the 5% allowance for expenses associated with running the business.

kind regards,

Shaun.

__________________

Shaun

Responses are not meant as a substitute for professional advice. Answers are intended as outline only the advice of a qualified professional with access to all relevant information should be sought before acting on any response given.

Zoe


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 218
Date:
Permalink Closed

The salary should be £10,000 in line with the personal allowance. The introduction of the Employment Allowance means you won't have to pay Employer's National Insurance (up to £2,000) so the cost of the Employee's National Insurance will be outweighed by the saving in Corporation Tax.

Of course, if you have already used your employment allowance on other employees, the salary should stay under the national insurance limit.

Kind regards

Zöe

__________________

Seahorse (UK) Limited - Support for Bookkeepers and Accountants
www.seahorseuk.co.uk
01268 417631
Starting a Bookkeeping Business



Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 133
Date:
Permalink Closed

It's a bit late on this topic, but another reason for using the personal allowance limit rather than the NI limit is that the payment of NI means that if this is the director's only employment, the year will count towards their basic state pension.

__________________
Rob


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 84
Date:
Permalink Closed

Hi Rob, Doesn't the year count for pension purposes as long as the lower earnings limit (NIC LEL) is exceeded?

__________________


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 133
Date:
Permalink Closed

Just had a browse and yes, sorry, I was wrong.

It would be nice if more people paid NI towards that pension, rather than just simply earning enough to qualify. I think I've mixed up the two!

Thanks for pointing that out.

__________________
Rob
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us
Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
©2007-2024 The Book-keepers Forum (BKF). All Rights Reserved. The Book-keepers Forum (BKF) is a trading division of Bookcert Ltd. Registered in England Company Number 05782923. 2 Laurel House, 1 Station Rd, Worle, Weston-super-Mare, North Somerset, BS22 6AR, United Kingdom. The Book-keepers Forum and BKF are trademarks of Bookcert Ltd. This forum is a discussion forum only. There will usually be more than one opinion to any question and any posting should not be viewed as a definitive solution. No responsibility for loss occasioned to any person acting or refraining from action as a result of any posting on this site is accepted by the contributors or The Book-keepers Forum. In all cases, appropriate professional advice should be sought before making a decision. We reserve the right to remove any postings which are offensive, libellous, self-promoting or engaged in covert marketing. We will not notify users of removals. The views expressed in the forum posts are those of the individual and do not necessary reflect or agree with those of The Book-keepers Forum. Any offensive or unsuitable posts will be removed by the moderators. Any reader of this forum can request for a post to be looked into by sending an email to: bookcertltd@gmail.com.

Privacy & Cookie Policy  About