Hi All - I have a client who has recently gone from Flat Rate VAT to standard VAT (albeit cash accounting).
All of her customers are required to pay a deposit, which is later deducted from their final payment against their invoice when their product is ready.
I am tidying up a lot of very old balances on the SL, and a lot of the accounts have a NIL balance but do have outstanding items as the deposits were posted as T9 (from before she was VAT registered), and then the invoice was subsequently posted as T1. Sage obviously won't let me balance one off against the other.
There is also a certain number of accounts where her customer paid a deposit then failed to show for their appointment and the deposit was forfeited, so an invoice has been raised to cover the amount. Again, the deposit was T9 and then invoice T1.
Any bright ideas on how I am going to get these transactions off the SL?
It makes the Aged Debtors report huge, although the balance on the majority of accounts is Nil.
When using cash accounting, Sage wont let you clear invoices, if there is a mismatch on tax code. I tackle this by using a dummy bank account.
For all deposits on account, from pre-registration, that haven't been cleared yet
Before posting any sales receipt to the current account or cash -
Through the dummy account, do a customer receipt for the full invoice, then a customer refund for the deposit (sage should allow you to do this as a T9). You should then find the balance on the dummy account equals the actual money received. You can then journal/bank transfer this balance to 1200 or 1230 to match up to the bank statement or cash tin.
Where the deposit was forfeited, there wont be any need for a journal/bank transfer, as the dummy account should come back to NIL.
Doing it this way also sorts the sales VAT out, correctly.
For items where the sales receipt has already been posted
Now, you will have posted sales receipts via the bank/cash already. As I understand it, you will have:
A T1 sales invoice for the full amount
A T9 payment on account
A T1 payment on account
Regards the invoices where the service was provided -
If you posted a net sales receipt on account, the VAT on that receipt would have been 1/6th of the receipt, not the sales invoice. This suggest you will have understated the VAT, so we will need to make sure any missed VAT is picked up on the next return. For example
T1 full sales invoice £120
T9 POA - £20
T1 POA - £100 ......only £16.67 will have been picked up on the return, instead of £20. ( you should check your VAT returns as you go through to confirm what's actually been declared)
So, using the dummy account, allocate the T1 POA to the T1 sales invoice (if you havent already) then clear the balance on the T1 sales invoice with another sales receipt - this will adjust the next VAT return accordingly and clear the full invoice. A debit balance will appear on the dummy account. Then customer refund the T9 deposit through the dummy account (sage should give you an option to select this be a T9 transaction), and this should bring the dummy account to NIL as well as the customer account.
Where the deposit was forfeited - the T9 POA means no VAT has been picked up, at all - using the dummy account, clear the T1 sales invoice in full, then create a T9 customer refund
I would do one at a time, so I could keep getting back to NIL - that way you wont get yourself in a tangle! However, if you dont want to do it that way, create a new bank account for the dummy (instead of renaming one) , so that it has the reconciliation function - using this, you can reconcile the transactions that net off to NIL, and identify any that dont.
The VAT is all important here, so when doing the next return, double check that no customer refunds have calculated VAT on them. Do one account and run the return, and see how it looks maybe?
-- Edited by FoxAccountancyServices on Saturday 19th of September 2015 09:35:42 PM
-- Edited by FoxAccountancyServices on Saturday 19th of September 2015 09:37:43 PM
Thanks Michelle, I've been posting a dummy sales invoice and then a dummy cr note to 9998 using T1 or T9 as needed, again doing it one at a time to make sure 9998 comes back to zero.
I'll have a good think about using a dummy account, it might be easier.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
This group is so helpful when you work on your own with no one to sanity check stuff with!