Hi All, I'm Emma and I'm new to the forum. I came across it during the endless research I've been doing about going self-employed offering a bookkeeping and administration service, I've been on the forum for a couple of hours now and I'm finding the posts so useful already!
A little background on me and my plans; I've got a number of years accounting experience during employment in a variety of industries and my latest job is a management accountant. I've just about finished AAT Level 4 and I'm finding that I want more variety in my job and I'm not getting that as a management accountant (no offence to M.A's, it's just not for me). After a number of years in previous accounting jobs where I've done an all-round accounting, I have spent the past few months considering setting up my own bookkeeping service and going self-employed. It's a big decision to make, one that I'm not taking lightly and hence I'm trying to do as much research as possible but other bookkeeper's advice would be extremely helpful. I've thought about it for quite a few years and had intended to wait until I'd finished my AAT but as I'm so near to finishing it now I don't really want to delay getting my business up and running.
My main query is actually making that jump; I'm currently still employed (30 hours a week) and have been doing research into setting up my own business in my spare time and I'm at the stage of registering my company etc. One of my questions is when I will need to end my current employment in order to be able to offer my services. I cannot afford to spend too long without any wages coming in, though I have already had some interest in my bookkeeping services. I was considering registering with an agency in the meantime to do some temporary accounting work while I'm getting up and running, does anyone have any experience of doing this?
I also wondered what advice others have in terms of advertising; local newspapers? Social media? Are there places where new start-ups and small businesses particularly advertise for the services of a bookkeeper?
Networking is a good start, join a networking group if you can, there should be some cheap local ones to you and also the expensive ones! It's not a quick fix to get work and will take a while for you to get for foot in the door, but keep going as it will pay off in the end. I got my best client this way.
Don't bother with Yellow pages, its expensive and certainly not worth it. Have a website built and get on as many free sites as poss.
Social media is a great way to promote your business as everyone seems to be on it nowadays. Could try a postcard in the local shop window, although not really sure it's worth it.
Get to know a couple of local accountants, this is a good source of work usually, again not a quick fix but will come good in the end.
If may be a slow process to start with, so don't be in a hurry to give up the day job.
I see you are in Berks, so I expect you could command a good hourly rate there, as some parts are very affluent.
sounds as though you are doing all of the right things in prep for starting your business.
Management accounting can be different things to different people. For some it's financial accounting in a corporate environment. For others it's closer to data analysis. It could just be that the sort of MA that you have been involved with didn't suit you rather than writing off that side of the fence all together as having a foot in corporate helps to keep funds rolling in whilst you attempt to build your business.
Good luck with the final leg of your AAT. Might be an idea to complete that before starting your business especially the two optional AAT tax papers which you will find invaluable.
Once complete it may be a good idea to hold off moving up to MAAT until you are also in a position to move up to MIP.
With the AAT you can offer bookkeeping services pre MIP provided that you make no mention of any association with the AAT. However, as soon as you move up to MAAT the services that you can offer become a lot more restricted until you are also a MIP.
Gain as sound a grounding in tax as you can before starting your business as you will quickly find that tax compliance is the primary reason that people use us rather than attempting to do the bookkeeping themselves.
Remember that you will need to register with HMRC for Money Laundering if you are not in a position to register through your own professional body. AAT only cover you once you have moved up to MIP.
You may find that in your first year or so finding clients is a lot slower than you expect it to be. A lot of small business owners attempt to do the books themselves and you will find that by the time that they realise that they cannot they have completed a complete mess... Although they often don't appreciate exactly how much of a mess and invariably one of the first words that they utter will be "just" implying that it's only a small job....and they will be expecting to pay you on that basis.
Don't be rushed into a quote. Ensure that you look under the bonnet before accepting the gig and be up front withthe client giving some indication to them of the time and cost sorting them out will take.
Ensure that you have a letter of engagement that protects you contractually (People seldom share their LOE's as they are legal documents so if someone has a mistake in theirs they do not want to burden someone else with that. Your professional body has a basic LOE which you should amend to the needs of your business.
Try to guide clients towards the software that you prefer unless they are paying for the software themselves.
Several people on here, (myself included) use VT Transaction+ as you can have unlimited clients. Same with Quickbooks desktop version although that seems to be slowly disappearing now. Software like Sage 50 and the clud offerings you have to pay per client and that can end up seriously eating into your bottom line.
For payroll the favourites on here are 12pay and Moneysoft Payroll. Both very sound products that are a lot cheaper than the more recognised names.
For advertising a website is good but people seldom come to you from the website. Rather it seems that it's the place that people go when they have already met you at networking events.
Your number one sales channel are your existing clients which is why starting up feels like rolling a snowball down a hill. The more clients that you get the more people that they will introduce to you. The real issue is getting those first few in a very competitive market that often feels as though there are more bookkeepers than businesses for them to service.
The main concern that you have as hinted at above is a very real one in that it may take a long time before you are making anywhere near as much from bookkeeping as you currently are from management accounting.
If at all possible, until you have some good clients it may be best that you consider bookkeeping as a weekend / evening job.
Besides completing the AAT qualification a very good book for tax is Taxation by Alan Melville. UNfortunately being tax it's an Annual so you have to buy the latest edition each year which is generally over £40 although very occassionally it does drop a little on Amazon so a good idea to keep the latest edition in your save for later list and hope to get a good price.
Don't buy that now as the new edition comes out in August for FA2016.
On the getting you name out there front there is no replacement for good old face to face networking. The problem with that though is that many networking groups restrict their membership to one representative per industry so if a group already has a bookkeeper then you may not get in. Also, the accountants at these groups will try to find what services that you offer and if you go past trial balance then they too may block your membership of the group.
Accountants are however also a source of work so make sure that you introduce yourself to as many local accountants as you can... Although with some you may find it difficult to get to talk to an accountant as they field such approaches all of the time so again really you need to chat to them at networking or social events if you can get in and get introduced.
Hope that some of the above helps for starters
Good luck with the new venture,
kindest regards,
Shaun.
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Wasn't it yourself who got a client from a postcard in a shop window?
I might be wrong, it may have been Shiela. That conversation was a long time ago.
I'd forgotten about yellow pages... Much the same as everyone else has, lol.
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Hi Emma
Not much I can add to what the other two have said as they have really covered all the angles, so instead of I will mostly just say welcome to the forum.
On the back of the yellow pages comment - dont let Yell.com anywhere near, will empty your purse for nothing! I dont have a website yet Im pretty much at capacity with clients and this despite my son working for me on a part time basis. Networking can work, just takes a lot of time. Most of my clients are on the back of recommendations, even my very first, so if you have some intros already start with them and in a few months dont be afraid to ask if they can recommend you to anyone. I would say, as Shaun did - dont give up the day job and that steady income just yet, work your new clients round that job until you get to the point where you dont have enough hours in the day to do so, then give up.
Is there a chance you can get to MAAT MIP where you are working/with existing contacts? If so - thats another reason for sticking it out a bit longer perhaps. Without that as indicated you cannot mention any affiliation to the AAT.
Software for new bookkeepers/Accountants is a big issue these days with the cost of some desktop software being potentially prohibitive versus have cloudy rubbish so be careful with that one - there are loads of posts on here about the merits of different types of software which Im sure you may have seen already. Im a Sage fan personally (desktop only, Sageone is garbage), but do have access to Quickbooks (dont use except for local Scout group) and I am just starting on VT. Must say VT doesnt look all pretty like the others, but from the small amount Ive used it, its great! I will be using more of this and certainly for clients who dont have their own software and are not prepared to pay me for extra sage licences. There are a few on here who use it and more are being converted and I cant blame them.
Good luck with it and looking forward to seeing some more posts from you in the future.
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On the back of the yellow pages comment - dont let Yell.com anywhere near, will empty your purse for nothing!
Hi Emma, welcome to the forum
Joanne is right, and I made a big mistake thinking it would bring in megabucks. It did result in a load of enquiries - from people trying to sell me electric, communications, and water coolers!! Not a single enquiry for bookkeeping though.
One thing that did work for me was a small advert in one of those monthly magazines that drop through your letterbox. Cost me over £400 over 10 months and although it was slow going, towards the end I got 3 enquiries which all converted, so covered the cost, but got the repeat business the following year.
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Morning John
Not seen you much over the last few days, seems everyone one here is ultra busy at the mo. No idea why, bad timing or something in the water!! Hope you were pampered loads yesterday
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Yes Shaun, I did once get a client from an advert in a shop window but this was about 6 years ago! I haven't done it since as I don't want carrier bag jobs that don't pay well, changed my business a bit since then and mainly do LTD companies.
You've got a good memory.
I think the market has certainly changed since then, Social Media seems to be a good way to advertise now. Linkedin is very good although I don't use it much myself.