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Good Morning All,

 

Those eagle-eyed members among you might have noticed a change to the site this morning!

 

New Website

 

I'm pleased to confirm that the BKN website has had a complete site redesign, which has created a new and improved platform for the network.

 

New Domain Name

 

You may be aware that up until now BKN has run on different domain names (URLs), www.book-keepers.net and www.book-keepers.org.uk. We also run the www.bookkeepingawards.co.uk website.

 

From the 1st August all three websites have been consolidated onto a new, single domain name at www.bookkeepers.network.

 

We will continue to trade as The Bookkeepers.Network, using the abbreviation 'BKN' for ease.

 

You may also notice we've dropped the hyphen from the word bookkeepers, which brings us back into line with the Oxford English Dictionary spelling of the word bookkeepers!

 

Our new domain name also matches our trading name, which helps provide a more descriptive and creative means for us to brand BKN going forward.

 

The Bookkeepers Forum (http://forum.bookkeepers.network)

 

The mechanics and login details for the BKN forum remain as they were, albeit with the new branding and all indexed pages being forwarded to the new URL (please let me know if you spot any not working!).

 

New Membership Options

 

However the new platform for the network side of the website is much more modern, and gives BKN members (free and paid) a whole host of new benefits (http://www.bookkeepers.network/member-benefits).

 

There are now 3 tiers of membership, with the free membership tier giving free-forever access to the site and forum, together with a basic listing in the 'Find a bookkeeper' directory (http://www.bookkeepers.network/search).

 

The find a bookkeeper directory has been greatly improved and now boasts an incredibly powerful search facility for small business owners looking for a bookkeeper.

 

All current free members of the forum now have access to the new BKN network. Please use your current email address to login to the site.

 

The two paid tiers of membership (£2.99 and £4.99 per month) have a whole host of new features and tools, from the ability to post your own articles, to uploading jobs, videos, audio, products, coupons and events. Members can also request and receive customer reviews on their profile page.

 

All currently subscribed BKN members have been set up with a full BKN membership account on the new platform. As a thank you to our current members, we have extended their subscription period free of charge for a further 12 months, regardless of when the next subscription renewal was due.

 

New Facebook Page

 

Whilst we have been on Twitter for a number of years now (www.twitter.com/BookkeepersNet), we haven't had a BKN Facebook page, until now that is! Please join us on Facebook and like our page to be kept up to date with all the latest bookkeeping news. Our new Facebook page is www.facebook.com/bookkeepers.network

 

We hope you enjoy using the new website. Any and all feedback on the new BKN website is very welcome. You can contact me direct at info@bookkeepers.network.

 

With kind regards,

 

Steve

 



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Not sure if its just me, but I had to find my way back in via the twitter link. I was unable to get redirected via the usual ways.

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Hi Johnny,

my links worked fine.

Also had no issue finding the site using the old site name which redirected me without issue to the new one.

Can you let me know exactly what you mean by the usual ways and I'll investigate them for you,

Many thanks,

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Hi I tried to load the page from mobile and PC, using the old address, expecting a redirect, yet I land on the sparklit page. Maybe it is just me then lol. I'll have to clear my cache and web history.

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Hi
the first time I did it on my ipad I got the sparklit page, but that was ungodly o'clock when Im assuming they were doing the updates. When I tried again this morning I got a 404 website no longer type message (wish Id taken a piccie now!) but hen there was an option to click on a re-direct. Now its fine on ipad cos its picking up from my history.

I always used the term 'bookkeepers forum', which it didnt like at first on my PC.  

 

Might be worth asking someone who has never searched for it and see what it shows on theirs?


Should add - I like it, not masses of change and daftness like with another website we could mention, so thats all good.  Logo certainly cleaner and fresher.  Would like to know more about the offerings for the fees.



-- Edited by Cheshire on Monday 1st of August 2016 11:53:23 AM

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"You may also notice we've dropped the hyphen from the word bookkeepers, which brings us back into line with the Oxford English Dictionary spelling of the word bookkeepers!"

In my password manager, for this forum I had a note that read:

Silly unnecessary hyphen

It now reads:

Silly unnecessary hyphen - now gone! \o/



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I concur with Joanne Johnny (on the PC, I don't use the mobile version of the site)

between 12:01 and when I went to bed last night the site was going through its overhaul so that Sparklit page came up a lot.

On the PC hit F5 to refresh memory as your system may be going there before attempting to get the site properly which could possibly explain still being redirected to the Sparklit message.

That should sort your PC issues out.

Now that you have found the site through the ipad as indicated by Joanne I believe that should also have sorted out the issue of hangovers in memory.



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Its all ok now certainly on my PC, ipad and iphone. Just still wondering what newbies will come across.

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Lol Vince,

I remember having to dig out the large version of the Oxford Russian-English doictionary in a debate with you long ago that Book-keeper was a real word! I missed off completely from that one that in the pure English version of the Oxford dictionary it's without the hyphen... I can admit it now. Glad that you are now a happy man over the site name.


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Cheshire wrote:

Its all ok now certainly on my PC, ipad and iphone. Just still wondering what newbies will come across.


Who knows Joanne, might be an interesting day.

Although I'd already seen the new overall site this is the first time that I've seen to updated forum myself and must admit to breathing a sigh of relief that the implemented changes are all positive one's.

After what Aweb did earlier this year one lives in fear of sites that we've come to love being destroyed by "improvements"! I think that Steve has done an excellent job here of bringing the look of the site more up to date whilst keeping the feel of the site as it was.

 



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Well done Steve, I agree an excellent job.

Im afraid a lot of people forget to say things like that, usually just love to complain, but Im a firm believer in saying when I think a job is done well.

Seems that plenty of peeps are finding the site given the number of views so far!

Must admit to keep hitting 'user' details instead of latest posts cos Im being vain without the glasses. Its a wonder I get any work done without them.

I just have one small request that the awards go back to including our business names as well - can this be done? Am I best emailing Steve?





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I concur - from PC it is very fresh. :)



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Well done Steve and the team

I love the new logo and name. The font for the logo is clean and fresh.

The forum remains exactly like it was, so thanks for that. 

Also many thanks for providing existing users with full membership access for 12 months. A big plus imo.



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Many thanks for all the kind comments, messages and emails following yesterdays website update.

I can report we did have a few software glitches when completing the update yesterday morning, apologies to any members who were trying to access the site between midnight and 5am yesterday. All resolved and working correctly now, however if anyone does encounter any further issues I'd be grateful if you could please drop me a line. 

Joanne, as requested I can confirm we have now re-added the business name to the winners listing details for the awards. 

Thanks again,

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Joanne, as requested I can confirm we have now re-added the business name to the winners listing details for the awards. 

Thanks again,

Steve


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Hi all, I think the site looks really professional. The new logo is much better. I like the ' find a book keeper section' - a big improvement on the old one. Well done, its still easy to navigate and user friendly. More than can be said for the Aweb site.

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Looks good! Much improved.

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Like the new site design - really need to visit and contribute more often.

I have been on the facebook page - one thing I would potentially mention is the power of facebook groups compared to page. It may be worth setting one up for BKN Members. The downside is it has a habit of replacing forums!

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Facebook? Do people still use that. lol.

Hi Phil,

Already had that conversation with Steve about Facebook groups and its a conscious decision not to go down that route.

People come here to get questions answered. Visitor numbers (well over a million a month) give the site its value. If we answered questions on Facebook then that gives Facebook the value rather than this site.

As things stand Steve has total control over the site and it's content where if we were on Facebook to a certain extent that control is divested and also the sites content would be diluted by being spread over two platforms.

Shaun.


p.s. sorry Phil, hidden links (the letter A in your signature is a link) to commercial sites or for SEO purposes are not permitted. (For long standing members such as yourself links to our own websites (such as www.philhendy.com) where you may put the link to commercial sites is fine)

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Shamus wrote:

Facebook? Do people still use that. lol.


Shaun.


p.s. sorry Phil, hidden links (the letter A in your signature is a link) to commercial sites or for SEO purposes are not permitted. (For long standing members such as yourself links to our own websites (such as www.philhendy.com) where you may put the link to commercial sites is fine)


 Facebook is dying on its a*se.  



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p.s. sorry Phil, hidden links (the letter A in your signature is a link) to commercial sites or for SEO purposes are not permitted. (For long standing members such as yourself links to our own websites (such as www.philhendy.com) where you may put the link to commercial sites is fine)


Shaun's spam spotters have spotted it too - well I did, I think John maybe asleep still!    

But its still there!!  Or are you giving Phil the chance to remove it? 



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I had an email saying that my paypal payment for membership was cancelled - is this why? Do I need to set up a new membership?

 

Edited to say it was an autoenrollment each year. Do I just need to set the payment up again when due?



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Regarding the Facebook groups, I agree with Phil. They certainly allow for another audience, but tend to remove from forums. I think the reason is the fact that many people live on facebook (which I don't think is dying) so the replies tend to come very quickly at all times of the day and night. We use Facebook groups for The Bookkeepers Alliance which has a fairly active community. We made a conscious decision not to have a forum, as I was saying to Steve this morning, BKN does the forum well there's not much we can add to that. We decided to concentrate on the stuff others are not doing very well.

As said, we do have a Facebook group, and our members love that it's hidden and they feel that they can ask questions without fear of ridicule, or clients seeing them. There are always some who don't use Facebook, or don't want to, so forums still have a place and will for some time.

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kjmcculloch83 wrote:

 many people live on facebook (which I don't think is dying) - insider info Kris.  


 



-- Edited by Cheshire on Thursday 18th of August 2016 02:55:28 PM

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I had an email saying that my paypal payment for membership was cancelled - is this why? Do I need to set up a new membership?

 


 There was an announcement on here some time ago about this, I seem to recall. besides the new site now has new info which is detailed above in Steve's original post.



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Cheshire wrote:
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 many people live on facebook (which I don't think is dying) - insider info Kris.  


 



-- Edited by Cheshire on Thursday 18th of August 2016 02:55:28 PM


 Insider info from Facebook??  Well my experience doesn't reflect that.  Sorry



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kjmcculloch83 wrote:
Cheshire wrote:
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 many people live on facebook (which I don't think is dying) - insider info Kris.  


 



-- Edited by Cheshire on Thursday 18th of August 2016 02:55:28 PM


 Insider info from Facebook??  yes from FB.  Plus from a UK source with UK data.  Well my experience doesn't reflect that.  Sorry oh dont be sorry - thats good for you surely.  Just a lot less people can hang their hat on it and have noticed the pull away from it. Depends on the nature of your business.



-- Edited by kjmcculloch83 on Thursday 18th of August 2016 02:58:34 PM


 



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Absolutely. The "Is facebook Dying" stuff has being around since 2014. We're still noticing that the facebook group is one of the primary attractions for The Alliance. This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.


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Absolutely. The "Is facebook Dying" stuff has being around since 2014. We're still noticing that the facebook group is one of the primary attractions for The Alliance. This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.


 Its an age related thing in many cases, but evidenced across sectors too.   If you saw the raw data it would blow your mind. 



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We made a conscious decision not to have a forum, as I was saying to Steve this morning, BKN does the forum well there's not much we can add to that. We decided to concentrate on the stuff others are not doing very well.

As said, we do have a Facebook group, and our members love that it's hidden and they feel that they can ask questions without fear of ridicule, or clients seeing them. There are always some who don't use Facebook, or don't want to, so forums still have a place and will for some time.


I know that the site should take it as a compliment that BKPR seek to advertise their wares here as would any fledgling offering to the market but adding comment to try and steal members away with implied suggestion of peer and client ridicule for those who post here is not appreciated. 

When people have a question and they Google it then either Accountingweb or BKN come up (and very occassionally UK Business Forums). If we hid ourselves away in a Facebook group restricted to signed up members then who would the site be helping and who would be able to tell your contributors when they are giving bad advice.

Only by forums being open like this one can people debate with a very large audience to come to considered conclusions.

Is not a Facebook group even one stage worse than the ICB's approach of having a site that people can see but in many parts not comment on?



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''This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.' What is this about?

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kjmcculloch83 wrote:

This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.


Do you want to expand upon this? 

This site is totally independant. You cannot be independant and working hand in hand with other organisations that you may at some stage need to publicly disagree with (we don't hide in the depths of Facebook to disagree with people).



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Wow Shaun. Let me take this bit at a time so I don't miss anything. Firstly, bkpr haven't been around for some time. You're probably talking about The Bookkeepers Alliance. Seconding we are not a fledgling offering, or trying to sell our wares.

No one is trying to steal members. The mere suggestion is ridiculous. Ridicule is something on the minds of many bookkeepers who post on sites. You have referred to such yourself on a number of occasions when talking about Aweb. Clients seeing questions is also a very real concern of some bookkeepers too.

A secret Facebook group is not a bad thing, just another answer and choice for our bookkeepers. Even in a closed group, there are as many differing opinions as in an open group. The nature of the group means it is limited to bookkeepers, if there were not a need then there would be no members.

Just for clarification, I have already spoken to Steve today about this, and understand that he is happy with a relationship of cross promotion between TBA and BKN. Both are very different offerings.

I never expected such a post from you Shaun, but I guess it was only to be expected.

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This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.


Do you want to expand upon this? 

This site is totally independant. You cannot be independant and working hand in hand with other organisations that you may at some stage need to publicly disagree with (we don't hide in the depths of Facebook to disagree with people).


 I can't expand too much at this stage, as we're still talking about the form it will take.



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Wow Shaun. Let me take this bit at a time so I don't miss anything. Firstly, bkpr  Wonder if that was just an initials typo on Shaun's part?  haven't been around for some time. You're probably talking about The Bookkeepers Alliance. Seconding we are not a fledgling offering, or trying to sell our wares.  I dont understand the not trying to sell comment.  That is what the BKA is  - a business. It might be there to help bookkeepers but it doesnt do it for free.

No one is trying to steal members. The mere suggestion is ridiculous. disagree, although I do agree on your next comment. But you dont need a closed forum nor closed facebook page to prevent that. Ridicule is something on the minds of many bookkeepers who post on sites. You have referred to such yourself on a number of occasions when talking about Aweb. Clients seeing questions is also a very real concern of some bookkeepers too.  Again you dont need a closed forum/facebook page to prevent that.  Cant imagine you can get long strand answers on a FB page!!   


A secret Facebook group is not a bad thing, just another answer and choice for our bookkeepers. Even in a closed group, there are as many differing opinions as in an open group. The nature of the group means it is limited to bookkeepers, if there were not a need then there would be no members. 

Just for clarification, I have already spoken to Steve today about this, and understand that he is happy with a relationship of cross promotion between TBA and BKN. Both are very different offerings.  I think if Steve has agreed something then it should really be for him to announce on BKN rather than the generalised comment just made.  But I for one would be concerned about the set up given I can access this site freely (and give my time for free to help people), yet Im blocked from accessing the BKA unless I pay a monthly fee. Plus the site owners of BKA  dont provide much in the way of assistance on here, maybe in the past, but now you are concentrating on BKA - ie  your business.  So how does that work?  One for you and Steve to work through obviously but one which others on here may have concerns about.  

I never expected such a post from you Shaun, but I guess it was only to be expected.  Thats totally contradictory, so doesnt make sense!

Kris


 Edited for typos re initials!





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This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.


Do you want to expand upon this? 

This site is totally independant. You cannot be independant and working hand in hand with other organisations that you may at some stage need to publicly disagree with (we don't hide in the depths of Facebook to disagree with people).


 I can't expand too much at this stage, as we're still talking about the form it will take.


  So why mention it then. As I said in my post above, its for Steve to announce - its his site.  I find this quite odd.



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Wow Shaun. Let me take this bit at a time so I don't miss anything. Firstly, bkpr  Wonder if that was just an initials typo on Shaun's part?  haven't been around for some time. You're probably talking about The Bookkeepers Alliance. Seconding we are not a fledgling offering, or trying to sell our wares.  I dont understand the not trying to sell comment.  That is what the BKA is  - a business. It might be there to help bookkeepers but it doesnt do it for free.  You're a bit right here, but I can see where the confusion is.  So, like BKN, TBA is a for profit organisation.  It makes a profit by offering services to its members.  A lot of what we offer, like BKN is free.  So first myth.

No one is trying to steal members. The mere suggestion is ridiculous. disagree, although I do agree on your next comment. But you dont need a closed forum nor closed facebook page to prevent that. Our members asked for it, we delivered it.  What's right for one person, isnt right for everyone, but our members want it.  Ridicule is something on the minds of many bookkeepers who post on sites. You have referred to such yourself on a number of occasions when talking about Aweb. Clients seeing questions is also a very real concern of some bookkeepers too.  Again you dont need a closed forum/facebook page to prevent that.  Cant imagine you can get long strand answers on a FB page!!   It's amazing some of the answers we get.  As above, it's something that is asked for, and we respond.


A secret Facebook group is not a bad thing, just another answer and choice for our bookkeepers. Even in a closed group, there are as many differing opinions as in an open group. The nature of the group means it is limited to bookkeepers, if there were not a need then there would be no members. 

Just for clarification, I have already spoken to Steve today about this, and understand that he is happy with a relationship of cross promotion between TBA and BKN. Both are very different offerings.  I think if Steve has agreed something then it should really be for him to announce on BKN rather than the generalised comment just made.  But I for one would be concerned about the set up given I can access this site freely (and give me time for free to help people), yet Im blocked from accessing the BKA unless I pay a monthly fee. Plus the site owners of BKN, dont provide much in the way of assistance on here. Maybe in the past, but now you are concentrating on BKN - ie  your business.  So how does that work?  One for you and Steve to work through obviously but one which others on here may have concerns about.  I agree, but I think the comment had to be made before too much damage was done to make this unworkable.  With regards to the bit where you say you are blocked from TBA if you don't pay, this is not the case.  We have loads of free members who get huge value and don't pay a penny.  Regarding the value, I try to add value when I can, but the same could be said for BKN owners, ultimately this is a forum for members.

I never expected such a post from you Shaun, but I guess it was only to be expected.  Thats totally contradictory, so doesnt make sense!  Perhaps I should have said I didn't expect it, but should have.

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This combined with the opportunity to work a bit closer with BKN covers all the bases.


Do you want to expand upon this? 

This site is totally independant. You cannot be independant and working hand in hand with other organisations that you may at some stage need to publicly disagree with (we don't hide in the depths of Facebook to disagree with people).


 I can't expand too much at this stage, as we're still talking about the form it will take.


  So why mention it then. As I said in my post above, its for Steve to announce - its his site.  I find this quite odd.


 As said, I mentioned it because I could see how the thread was going and didn't want it to get to the point where any partnership was unworkable.



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Sorry Kris but that is so very unprofessional.

How can see how a thread is going to go? I know you need a crystal ball in this profession but that statement is just ridiculous.

You say you have just saved a potential working partnership by making an announcement - but that was not in your gift to make - that could potentially do it more damage, its tantamount to releasing confidential information, albeit we are clearly not working at a corporate level here so you may just get away with it.

Ive been on your site and very little of it is for free so please dont try to compare it with BKN. Of course both are businesses, but dont try to compare eggs with apples. I dont have a problem with your business model - that is your choice, its your business, but I do have a problem when you can freely come over to BKN and have your say and for all to see it.....but the reverse is not true.....where exactly can I post the same about BKN on your site for ALL, not just signed in members, to see it, yet you talk about a 'partnership' ????????????? I cant!!




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I never expected such a post from you Shaun, but I guess it was only to be expected.  Thats totally contradictory, so doesnt make sense!  Perhaps I should have said I didn't expect it, but should have.

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 Just to correct an earlier posting by Kris - to show the bit in blue was his not mine



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I'm sorry Joanne, but we offer a lot free. We don't have a forum, so you can't post that way. But every single blog article we have is open for comments from any of our members. So the reverse is true.

I could see how it was going. I guess we'll need to agree to disagree.

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You have just agreed with me Kris. 'Open' comments for 'your members' ....as opposed to BKN which is free for members and non members, so I CANNOT post on there about BKN or any other subject and it be free for anyone to see.

So how can a 'partnership' work? An unfairly balanced one.....which we all know from looking after doesn't in the long run!

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I never expected such a post from you Shaun, but I guess it was only to be expected.


You've never said anything which attempted to undermine the confidence of the contributors to the site before Kris.

To quote "they can ask questions without fear of ridicule, or clients seeing them".

So you want bookkeepers to join your site on the basis that nobody will know that they're there to ask their questions of other bookkeepers in a sheltered community where the answers that they get may not be the best answer but they are the best that can be offered from the limited membership.

Members have regularly joined this site specifically to answer questions where they feel that the existing posted responses omits key facts. You cannot have that with a hidden members only group. The only hope for such a group to survive would be for a site such as BKN or Aweb to actively promote the group and point people towards it but I'm having real difficulty here seeing what the advantage is for BKN or Aweb of doing that.

 

You have a group that few people would knows exists unless we tell them where you are and if they find it then people will start asking questions in the wrong place to get the right answers (bookkeepers sites / groups need accountants).

Please tell me what I'm missing here as I am having real difficulty understanding what if anything BKN gets from this as I'm seeing no potential for traffic in the other direction, it could cost BKN contributors and any link up could compromise the extenal view of the sites absolute independance of all other groups, bodies and institutions.

Nothing I say should in any way be construed as anything against BKA or BKPR. My responses are purely in protection of the integrity, objectivity, independance, longevity and brand value of BKN.



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You have just agreed with me Kris. 'Open' comments for 'your members' ....as opposed to BKN which is free for members and non members, so I CANNOT post on there about BKN or any other subject and it be free for anyone to see.

So how can a 'partnership' work? An unfairly balanced one.....which we all know from looking after doesn't in the long run!


 Joanne, I find your comments deeply unfair, and desperately misleading.  To post on BKN you require to login, before you can do that you need to sign up.  The principle is the same.

secondly, partnerships don't work because both partners offer the same, they work if both partners offer something the other doesn't or can't to the same ideal clients.  If you went into partnership with a local printer, you wouldn't put a printing press in your office.

 

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To read BKN you do not need to login. To read BKA you do. Or have I got that wrong? Has that changed?

I know how partnerships work, but as I've already said, and as Shaun has indeed since said on this post, what can BKN and it's members possibly get from such a partnership? It's all skewed in favour of one party, not BKN and as I said that's when partnerships fall apart, or should never be created in the first place.

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To read BKN you do not need to login. To read BKA you do. Or have I got that wrong? Has that changed?


 Wait and I can help you move those goalposts if you want, Joanne?



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Neither have I said anything today to undermine any confidence. I simply agreed with Phil that Facebook groups are useful. Unless of course you believe that one size fits all?

There is a small pool on any forum answering questions, that's the way of it. It doesn't matter if it's open, or closed. Our organisation is surviving quiet well without the promotion of BKN. Clearly, there is an opportunity for both though.

TBA is not a forum. That's not what we offer. Our primary focus is on a mix of online and face to face work. Therefore we have regional meetings, workshops (both ourselves and with partners), conferences, retreats and more. Coupled with this we have group mentoring, one to one mentoring, webinars, masterclasses, courses, shared resources and the much talked about - Facebook groups. We actually have 2 facebook groups, as well as 2 linkedin groups. One of our facebook groups is closed to our paying members, and the other is open to all. Both of our LinkedIn groups are open to all.

Many of our articles are open to all. Some of our specialist articles are open to only members, and some only paying members depending on membership level. Despite what has been said, free members can comment on our posts, and videos.

Hopefully you can see the host of resources on offer from TBA. This coupled with the forum from BKN, and hopefully you can start to see how the two compliment each other. TBA has no desire to run a forum, but BKN do this well. BKN clearly don't offer a lot of the other stuff, but TBA does.

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To read BKN you do not need to login. To read BKA you do. Or have I got that wrong? Has that changed?


 Wait and I can help you move those goalposts if you want, Joanne?


 you need to read what I put in the first place, no need for goalpost moving nor Fergie time. It's what I said in the fist instance.  But I am taking it that you I haven't got it wrong about not being able to read BKA as a non member. 

 

Not ot read your other last comment, no time just now



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No, there are loads of articles and content for both members and non members. Like many other sites, there are some things that you do need to join us, free, to get access to. We make no apology for that. However, the comment was around posting comments, and you can also do that. :)


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You have missed my point in that you have to be signed in to your site to view it! Which is the point I made almost two hours ago.

You did used to have a forum but i still fail to see what BKNErs will gain. Maybe you should explain in more detail and I can read that in conjunction with your post at 17.31 which I've not read as I'm out now.


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