Can you view your system resources side by side with what you are attempting to do? i.e. Cntl-Alt-Del / Start Task Manager / Performance Tab

Top bit is CPU, bottom bit is RAM

While you have that up and visible on the screen repeat what you were doing and watch the resources (I have two screens but if you only have one you will need to shrink VT down in size a bit so you can see both at the same time.

If it's memory its running low on then try copying, pasting, inserting in smaller chunks. If it's CPU then you may need to close down some other programs.

One other thing. If you have not restarted your entire machine try doing a cold start (turn off, wait at least 30 seconds, restart from cold), the reason behind that is that somethimes windows doesn't release memory back to the system when it has finished using it meaning that you may temporarily be working with less memoryt than you think that you have.

Also, in Windows task manager click on "show processes from all users". Sort by memory usage. Do you have something at the top using a lot of memory called SVCHOST. If so end that process and then try VT again (SVCHOST is to do with Windows, not VT but it may be using up too much of your memory).

All of the above works to the principle that you may be running too many things for the amount of memory that you have and a memory overflow has resulted.

It may not be the issue but just one to look at for starters.

Good luck Lyndsey,

kindest regards,

Shaun.

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Lindsey

By the looks of it, it would seem that you need to be an IT consultant to run VT and a PC, my recommendation would be to get a Mac and move to a cloud software, that way you will be doing your job as a Bookkeeper and not IT consultant. Yes the Mac will cost you a bit more, but the saving you will make in not having IT support will more than compensate.

I can certainly attest to this, I have paid zilch for IT support for my practice of 4 staff, just not required, your valuable time will be better spent earning money and not faffing around.

Good luck!

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 So Mac's never run out of storage? And never go wrong? And any idiot who can bang two rocks together can use one?

And even better the cloud is always available? and secure? And you don't have to pay forever to keep accessing your own data?

I'm sure that your hardware and software is perfect for you but as you will appreciate it's not for everyone and as no serious sized business uses macs and there is so little professional desktop software out there for the Mac, for my practice I persoanlly wouldn't contemplate it... Plus, like yourself I've never paid anything for IT support either so thats not a Mac thing.

Yes he is John.

But not only does he talk complete and utter tosh (to use a phrase I think he did), but is insulting to Lyndsey too....faffing around, when she is clearly looking for some assistance for a problem that can happen to anyone, or if not that problem, then some other either IT related or other issue. Plus no constructive assistance given, in this instance, nor in fact since joining the site back in 2014!!! Plus no background/intro, despite being asked last time. But drops in 'oh look how successful I am with my four staff', so I MUST know what I'm talking about! Yes of course you are MGreen. We all believe you. You are clearly just a VT/ Windows PC bashing, disrespectful (talks about taking candy from a baby about his clients as well as insults folk on here) non BKN contributor.  

Not worth any of us wasting any of our time on him.

Although John, it's working for Ronald, he has thousands of staff.

-- Edited by Cheshire on Friday 28th of October 2016 09:07:47 AM

Thanks everyone, I read his comment and dismissed it as it wasn't really applicable or helpful.

Actually I am quite techy and can easily work with a PC, never used a Mac and don't like change. I have never paid for IT support, if I don't know the answer, I have a lot of IT support/computer engineers/programmers friends I can call on to help me, or google, which is normally very helpful! I also very nearly switched from finance into computer programming career a few years back, but then had a baby and all that went out of the window.

I only posted the question in here as I know a lot of people use the system and was wondering if anyone else had the same issue. I did read somewhere (possibly accountingweb) that they got an error code when inputting data, wasn't sure if this was a "known" issue.

John - I seem to get the problem when I have something large in my clipboard, which is normally always when I am doing this as this is the reason I use the Data Input, copy from spreadsheet, rather than messing around with manually inputting each entry. Was it windows in VT or generally on PC that was open, as I always have both! I like to multitask haha! Next time I come across I will try and close everything down and see if that helps. I also run Quickbooks, which is also nearly always open, which I know takes up a tonne of memory. I had to upgrade my RAM on my laptop to get it to work properly.


Thanks Lyndsey

Shamus wrote:

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Lindsey

By the looks of it, it would seem that you need to be an IT consultant to run VT and a PC, my recommendation would be to get a Mac and move to a cloud software, that way you will be doing your job as a Bookkeeper and not IT consultant. Yes the Mac will cost you a bit more, but the saving you will make in not having IT support will more than compensate.

I can certainly attest to this, I have paid zilch for IT support for my practice of 4 staff, just not required, your valuable time will be better spent earning money and not faffing around.

Good luck!

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 So Mac's never run out of storage? And never go wrong? And any idiot who can bang two rocks together can use one?

And even better the cloud is always available? and secure? And you don't have to pay forever to keep accessing your own data?

I'm sure that your hardware and software is perfect for you but as you will appreciate it's not for everyone and as no serious sized business uses macs and there is so little professional desktop software out there for the Mac, for my practice I persoanlly wouldn't contemplate it... Plus, like yourself I've never paid anything for IT support either so thats not a Mac thing.

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Of course Mac's can run out of storage, but you don't need to know what SVCHOST is or go through a task manager screen to resolve the problem, you will get a meaningful message to close some windows and/or applications and not just crash. But since you insist on going of the reservation when challenged, I will refer you to the company who is arguably the father of the PC, yep IBM, who has just very recently gone on record, stating Macs save money and IT support time, you don't get much bigger Corporate company (and PC/Windows company) endorsement than that. Oh wait there is of course the worlds largest company (by a mile) actually run on Mac's - Apple. Obviously, IBM and Apple are not serious businesses and your little bookkeeping practice is, Are you serious?

Why don't you run a poll on the site, and lets see how many users actually know what SVCHOST is, or more importantly actually care what it is. Even better why not run a poll on cloud software vs VT, it might help the cloud software advertisers on this site, decide whether to continue advertising here or not.

I have been using cloud, and yes it may go down occasionally, just like your PC, but the difference is that when it does go down, I know the provider (be it the internet provider or cloud software company) is much larger and has a huge vested interest in resolving the issue quickly, I have never been down more than 1 hour (usually ISP and not the cloud software). However, if your little PC goes down, your at the whim of a local 1 man band for getting support, and he may well be busy, and you could be down for certainly much longer, and in the worst case where your PC gets fried, you will be down much longer (replacement/ restore back up), in my practice if my computer fries, I can be up and running within 25 minutes, that's with buying a new computer from my local apple store and being up an running as everything is in the cloud.

The old chestnut about data ownership. Well, it is my clients data, I don't own it, they own it, they pay for the cloud subscription (albeit through me), its their data, having explained this to them prior to taking them to cloud, they are happy with it, don't see what your problem with this is, especially where it is not your data, but your clients data and if they are happy what's the issue? If I was your client, I would be more worried, if your house/office went up in smoke, how quickly I would be up and running (buy new pc get back up from "cloud" LOL etc etc), for my clients it would be seamless as the data and software is accessible from cloud, they need not even know that such a disaster has occurred, nor do they need to know, they will have access to their data regardless.

The old security argument "sigh", 99.9% of the uk population use online banking, that is cloud which ever way you look at it. Do you tell your clients to stop using online banking and online payment services because its not secure, and at the same time tell them, "it won't grow your business, but you will own all the data and be so very secure", that to me would be real "two rock rubbing" mentality. So all you "cloud haters" here I challenge you to put this to you clients, put your money where your mouth is, while you are at it tell them to stop using email (yep that is also in the cloud), and its best not come to this site as it also uses cloud and your thoughts (your data) is owned by BKN and not you.

I will also refer you to the other thread here about windows 10, and rest my case.

A blanket dismissal of Cloud and Mac's as credible alternative is churlish at best. Actually, the new Microsoft Studio Pro and Cloud is also a good alternative (nice to see MS catching up).

The irony is that Lindsey felt compelled to post this issue here to warn others, that tells you a lot about VT support/usage, when you can't even find the solution on Google. Perhaps, time to ditch and go to cloud.

 

 

This is the same IBM that thought that there was no future in PC's so outsourced software development to Microsoft and Hardware development to Intel! I can assure you that no matter what IBM may say, they do not use MAC's. I know, I've worked with them (good company to work with by the way).

If I made a computer I would use the computer that I built as well so using Apple as an example of a company that uses the computer that it makes is not really a valid arguement.

How many MAC's do you think that Microsioft use?

By serious sized businesses I am of course referring to every bank, insurance company, pension company, etc. I've never seen a MAC computer in a corporate environment (I've had clients for my "little bookkeeping business" of many (but not all) of the major blue chips. Don't make assumptions about the people who post on this site, you may be very surprised!).

You state that MACs also run out of space and you get a message telling you to close some open applications. SVCHOST is just an open application that its safe to close. The same way as when you use any software (for example SAGE) you find ways to resolve issues getting rid of SVCHOST simply free's up a bit of memory on a PC. It's not rocket science.

Who really cares whether cloud software providers choose to advertise directly here? You may see advertisements for Cloud software on your screen but I do not get any on mine as the advertising is geared towards your past search history. The people on this site help each other to find and use the best software for their business model. Simply because someone pays for an advert does not make them the best... Or would you rather that we ceased to be totally independant and pushed whatever people paid us to push? People come to this site because we are not able to be bought (professional bodies, software companies and training providers have all tried it). The owners of the site do not need the revenue from it and non of the contributors here make anything from it.

Sounds as though you've been pretty lucky so far with your internet connection. Besides the occassion hour or two out a few times a year I've lost mine for days before (once due to the ISP changing systems which didn't go so well and the second down to a car hitting the BT box close to my offices). Fear not on the PC's getting fried front, I run five current PC's plus two others in reserve and with one always off network (mayual data transfers only). I get a crash on one and much like Joanne I can instantaneously move to another (I use dropbox which keeps the latest version of your data on your PC as well as the cloud). Then again, people such as Joanne and myself possibly come from a completely different environment to yourself... I don't know that as we know very little about you.

I've heard the arguement comparing online banking to the cloud before but thats a little like comparing a piggy bank to Fort Knox. Cloud providers tend to piggy back on other peoples systems for example Google servers carry much of the line traffic of many cloud providers. Where those servers are located and who owns them dictates the jurisdiction that they come under. Where such is American owned the servers are subject to American freedom of information rather than European data protection.

I'm sure that your clients don't realise that. However, you have very cleverly put the emphasis of responsibility for location of the data on your clients which to a certain extent free's you from your data protection obligations over data location. I would however emphasise to your clients that their data using certain systems is not perhaps as seecure as perhaps they think it is.

Compae that to the bank systems that own their own servers which are in secure jurisdictions covered by European data protection.

As for singling out a question in relation to VT as a refllection on VT support! How many questions do we get here about Sage and Quickbooks? People here like to help each other. This site ios more about being a sort of open office environment for people who work alone. In a real office you would ask a question of the person sitting opposit you beofre phoning up your software providers tech support. That Lyndey felt comfortable asking here is a sign of what a success this site is.

Following your arguement then if someone asks a question about the a bit of cloud software then they need to immediately ditch it and go to VT... Remember when people ask questions the actual problem may not be as they initially perceive it. For example, in this instance the assumption was that the issue was with VT but the reality is that the issue was with running out of storage.

As I said in my previous message, I'm sure that your hardware and software are perfect for your business but don't assume that others regard your settup as being right for them. Going to the cloud is not an upgrade, it's a choice that a business owner makes and they should do that knowing all of the facts, not only the facts that one wants to give them to guide them down the path that you want them to take.

Ok, think that I've managed to deconstruct your arguement quite successfully. Sure that you will be back with further arguement about MACs as I've noticed that those who have them get quite evangellical about the things but its the old VHS vs Betamax arguement. You can still enjoy watching Betamax films, there is nothing wrong with the quality, but don't expect everyone else to back a horse that has already lost.

I'm sure that like VHS the PC will one day be superceded but it won't be by Apple computers. I've no arguement that Apple is a huge company but its on a conglomorate basis where the real money is in phones and associated products, not computers. The computer side of the business cannot be simply compared against the value of Microsoft alone but rather every hardware manufacturer that produces PC's. When put into perspective I think that you will find MACs to be quite insignificant with the PC market.

Shaun.

Leger wrote:

your thoughts (your data) is owned by BKN and not you.

How does BKN own my data?  Is it copywrited?  Can I not repeat the same thing elsewhere?

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Hi John,

nice reply.

On the who owns your data again thats been a little bent out of shape by Mgreen. I didn't pick him up on that one but glad that you did as its an important issue that needs clarifying.

The site (the data on it) is indeed protected to stop others stealing discussions from it in order to populate other new sites or bolster content of existing sites (yep, that really happens!). We also had someone on here attempting to compile a book from peoples posts (I took care of that one off line). The protection is actually of the members ideas for the members to prevent others claiming such as their own. Your ideas are of course your own and nothing that you say elsewhere can in any way be restricted by the site.

So, the simple statement that the data on the servers belongs to the site is factually correct but takes a literal rather than principle based view of the scenario and the reality is that the whole idea that BKN is going to stop you repeating things that you say here elsewhere is about as ridiculous as that American who attempted to copyright the @ symbol.

All the best,

Shaun.

 

 

 

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Yawn!

Still spouting half arsed truths.

Still not introducing himself so we can see his bookkeeping credentials.

Still insulting people. Not only with comments like 'your little bookkeeping company' but thinking that folk on here know nothing about technologogy and how it works. Yet clearly he doesnt,  as he makes the classic mistake of mixing up the Internet v the cloud! Oh never mind him thinking that we are all too stupid to have contingency plans in place. One of my PC fries I can be up and running in 2 minutes.

Never mind that people on here have worked with IBM and the like so know the all about the internal problems they have, which by the way it was one of their products that caused an issue with my PC lately, so they aren't infallible just because they are a large company. 

Oh and the funniest comment of all.......... Apple use Macs!!!

 

Lyndsey did not put her comment on here to 'warn' others MGreen, plus it clearly wasn't a VT issue yet you continue to suggest it is, you really like to twist the truth don't you, a very familiar trait that I've seen before from people like you.

I challenge you to tell your clients you used the expression 'like taking candy off a baby' about them - see how many you are left with then.  If you actually have any to start with!

You clearly have an ulterior motive, but we are way ahead of you on that one. 

 

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An even bigger yawn...

Still being nosey, wanting to know who I am, it really rubs you up the wrong way doesn't it not knowing, I am glad. My post/reply was not directed at you, so a personal attack from you was not warranted, but you just could not resist, it's like an itch you just have to scratch it LOL that's what is really funny.

Suffice to say having read some of your other posts, I have absolutely no desire or care to know who you are. So I suggest you stop harping on about who I am, and concentrate on the thread.

Apple is the worlds largest CORPORATION, it may amuse you but FACT none the less (perhaps envy is at play here - can't afford it perhaps).

I will also go as far as saying there are more Mac users in Microsoft and many corporate companies than there are PC users at Apple, so the old statement "No corporation uses a Mac" is finally buried along with your chuckle.

I suggest you get your facts right (they may have worked at IBM many may years ago - time has moved on/but perhaps not them):

http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper

I also suggest you read the thread properly before firing in rage:

The thread title: "VT run time error when posting in Universal Data Input" Hence, my singling out VT.

Last years BKN award not clouding your thoughts/posts I hope.  (Oh £%*$^ I used cloud again)

 

 

 

MGreen wrote:

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Not forgetting the racist innuendo, a black man with a gun! Really, is that really the image of this site, of you?

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I'm not responding to the huge flaws in the rest of your post until you rescind unreservedly the above comment.

Using that image of a cultural icon is racist! Get real. I'm the least racist person that you could ever encounter.

I would happily have used the image of Vincent rather than Jules if Vincent had been the one to give the quote in the film that was the basis of my Avatar. But he didn't. The quote upon which it was based was made by Jules.

Are you suggesting that black people cannot be used as cultural icons for fear of offending someone!

Maybe I should remove the framed picture of Malcolm X holding a carbine down from my sons bedroom wall as his entire life I've used it as one of the subliminal inspirations for how he lives his life.

Maybe I turned the lights off and made a mistake before having my children with their mother who I loved... And before you ask more on that one, it's non of your god damn business.

Maybe for my next avatar I should go with something like Lucille :

And no, I am in no way threatening anyone. Again its a reference to popular modern culture (Walking Dead, the Negan scene S6, E16 & S7, E1). But as you didn't seem to get the Pulp Fiction reference I thought that I had best explain it.

You wanted a reaction from me, you've got one. Now appologise and totally rescind that comment so that we can get on with trashing the rest of your flawed arguements.

Morning Joanne,

when looking for a pic of Lucille I also had a glance at some MAC vs PC pics and found this that I thought was very apt to the discussion :

Or maybe just...

MAC users really hate cold hard facts!

That doesn't sound very much as though you do not consider me to be a racist.

Sounds even less like an appology.

The issue that you have around stance which seems to echo that of the touchy feely white liberals who try so hard not to offend anyone that their very actions are offensive to the very people that they claim to stand up for due to the condescending manner of their words and actions.

You are the one who noticed the colour of the persons skin, I was just using the image of an actor using a doctored quote that they made. Do you think that maybe you need to take a long hard look in the mirror before throwing mud at others?

When you've dug yourself a hole the way to climb out of it is not to keep digging...

Still waiting for that appology.

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An even bigger yawn...

Still being nosey, wanting to know who I am, it really rubs you up the wrong way doesn't it not knowing, I am glad. My post/reply was not directed at you, so a personal attack from you was not warranted, but you just could not resist, it's like an itch you just have to scratch it LOL that's what is really funny.

Suffice to say having read some of your other posts, I have absolutely no desire or care to know who you are. So I suggest you stop harping on about who I am, and concentrate on the thread.

Apple is the worlds largest CORPORATION, it may amuse you but FACT none the less (perhaps envy is at play here - can't afford it perhaps).

I will also go as far as saying there are more Mac users in Microsoft and many corporate companies than there are PC users at Apple, so the old statement "No corporation uses a Mac" is finally buried along with your chuckle.

I suggest you get your facts right (they may have worked at IBM many may years ago - time has moved on/but perhaps not them):

http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper

I also suggest you read the thread properly before firing in rage:

The thread title: "VT run time error when posting in Universal Data Input" Hence, my singling out VT.

Last years BKN award not clouding your thoughts/posts I hope.  (Oh £%*$^ I used cloud again)

 

 

 

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Think you could be waiting a while for that apology Shaun!  Im absolutely appalled by such a comment and knowing the small amount about your background that I do, can absolutely confirm that you havent a racist bone in your body!   

Besides the quote just wouldnt have worked with the other picture that has been suggested so why would you have used it?

Never mind that its laughable that someone who has a grand total of less than a dozen posts suggests that the picture wasnt your finest hour - oh but lets ignore all the hours its taken for the 11000+ posts to help people that you have accumulated.  

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An even bigger yawn...
Still being nosey, wanting to know who I am, it really rubs you up the wrong way doesn't it not knowing, I am glad. Doesnt bother me in the slightest who you are, I dont set any credence to your posts. But as I said last time what have you got to hide? So I still wonder what it is that you are so scared of that you dont let everyone know. Lets face it there are certain set of people who hide behind anonymity and they usually fall into one of the following groups:-
Cowards
Trolls
Those seeking to de-stabilise an organisation (or website) to facilitate a hostile takeover.
Spammers.
My post/reply was not directed at you, Does that mean I cannot respond? That is another argument that is flawed in more ways than one. Your original comment was not directed at Shaun, but at Lyndsey so why did you not say the same to Shaun at his initial post? Your comment was not directed at John, so why did you not say the same to him? Wee bit misogynistic perhaps?

Or did you just post the original response to Lyndsey just so you could start an argument with the Moderator, because you knew he would respond to such ridiculous comments? Seems like you are gunning for him for some reason, with a couple of your snide comments. You did the exact same on the first post several months ago because you only retaliated to him in one part, despite others having made the same comments, yet it was as if they didnt feature in the discussion. 
so a personal attack from you was not warranted, but you just could not resist, it's like an itch you just have to scratch it LOL that's what is really funny.

Laugh all you like, but I tell you what is not funny are the insults you have levelled at members of this forum, which frankly are unacceptable and that is why I speak up. I cant stand bully boys. They by the way come under the cowards and trolls in the description above.

Suffice to say having read some of your other posts, I have absolutely no desire or care to know who you are.
Such a contradictory comment you have no interest in me, yet you have gone reading my posts!!!!! 

 

But I will be crying in my sleep tonight MGreen that you will not be my'' fwend''. Oh what am I to do? 

I really do not care what you think of me or frankly any of my posts. But one thing, whilst I have tried to help others over the years and accepted help myself what the hell have you added to this group? What constructive advice have you given? What technical advice have you given? None whatsoever.

So I suggest you stop harping on about who I am, and concentrate on the thread. I think it is you who should have concentrated on the thread and indeed the last one you posted instead of making derogatory and sweeping comments and just looking at the title and diving in with a response based on that, instead of what the real issue was (#)

Apple is the worlds largest CORPORATION, it may amuse you but FACT none the less I never said it wasnt! But its not the largest corporation on the back of its Mac product is it!! Certainly it is currently the largest by market cap, which is what most people look at, although others who are more savvy will also be looking at a raft of other factors and issues and not relying on that one point which has proven to be unreliable for a few in the past when a massive corporation with a huge market cap has imploded! Of course Apples earnings have dropped for three quarters in a row so lets see what happens when they post their next set of results soon. 

(perhaps envy is at play here - can't afford it perhaps). How can one be envious of a corporation? Cant afford it! Lol. Yes thats it. You found me out I cant afford a Mac. Of course I can even though I dont take candy from baby clients! You want to check my Bank balance, property share portfolios? But yet again you do not understand what is going on with this whole conversation. I am not knocking Apple, never have - I have several Apple products and rate them highly, just not the Mac for what I need (and I dont just mean the bookkeeping business).

The point I made was your hilarious comments Apple uses Macs. Made me giggle all day. But you seem to not understand the ridiculousness of such a comment. Of course Apple uses Macs. If they didnt it would be like Google using Bing as their main search engine!

I will also go as far as saying there are more Mac users in Microsoft and many corporate companies than there are PC users at Apple, so the old statement "No corporation uses a Mac" is finally buried along with your chuckle.

First of all you state someone said 'No corporation uses a Mac' - who said that? Apart from you.  Whose quote are you repeating given its in inverted commas , it must be someones quote? But no it wasnt mine, nor can I indeed see it on any other post on this thread. Have I missed that one? Or are you mis-quoting people.

Thats a very common trait in certain folk, ones who can only use twisting peoples words and downright mistruths and mis-information to help bolster their so called argument. So yet another argument that is no way buried oh although I am still laughing at your earlier gag. 
Of all of the large corporations I have ever dealt with, in the UK, across the pond and in other European countries in my career the smallest number use Macs. Im not talking your little one man band or SME IT clients that you clearly deal with, but the really big corporations with bases in the UK. Now maybe that will be on the increase with Apple focussing on why they lost market share on what was once a core product and given the drop in sales in iphones, with greater collaborations between Apple and say Microsoft or indeed just some of the use of the emerging technologies coming out of Silicon Valley, but for now your what you believe as fact doesnt hold true. These Corporations I mention are, by the way, the same large corporations who wouldnt use cloudy accounting products, because not one of them can match the requirements that such large companies need for their Accounting infrastructures. Maybe one day they will, but not yet.

I suggest you get your facts right (they may have worked at IBM many may years ago - time has moved on/but perhaps not them): So when I mentioned people working at IBM who exactly was I referring to and why would you make the assumption that they worked at IBM many many years ago? I had best tell that person they might not get paid for last weeks work!!!!

http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper

I also suggest you read the thread properly (#) before firing in rage: Rage? Ha! Cant recall a single solitary time when anything on BKN has enraged me! Seems to me that the rage is all on your side you clearly have an ulterior motive. 

The thread title:"VT run time error when posting in Universal Data Input" Hence, my singling out VT. (#) I suggest you dont take the title of a thread and use just that to respond to someone. Some thread headers just say 'help'. Others refer to eg a problem with sage when they are actually fundamental double entry questions and nothing whatsoever to do with sage at all. But your comment just serves to prove that it was in fact you who did not read the question at all.

Last years BKN award not clouding your thoughts/posts I hope. (Oh £%*$^ I used cloud again) I have no idea whatsoever you are trying to get at with this last comment. Perhaps you would like to expand on it? 

I havent even started on the response you made to Shaun! But the whole thing is a joke from someone who has been on the site since 2014 but not contributed ONCE to actually help someone, but comes on with sweeping comments and talking nonsense. Although Lyndsey summed it up rather well with her dismissing your comment as it wasnt applicable. Plus as I said before your attitude 'Reminds me of smokers in the earlier part of the last century believing all they did that cigarettes were the next best thing and good for them!!! It being forced on us doesn't make it right nor should we put up and shut up'.

Yes, I didnt see that post you did whilst I was typing away! Thank you but Im all good here, although find it increasingly shocking that someone can come on here, not actually contribute and make accusation and insinuations about people without knowing them. Foot in mouth disease. But thank you for your concern, tis appreciated as were the other things you said.   I was actually waiting for the apology to come that you had requested, wasnt going to comment at all, hence my short response earlier. But then realised that just isnt going to happen.

lol, no not using my ipad this time - hope you can tell by the reduced amount of typos. Reckon it might be the mahoosive picture you put on earlier

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MGreen wrote:

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An even bigger yawn...

Still being nosey, wanting to know who I am, it really rubs you up the wrong way doesn't it not knowing, I am glad. My post/reply was not directed at you, so a personal attack from you was not warranted, but you just could not resist, it's like an itch you just have to scratch it LOL that's what is really funny.

Suffice to say having read some of your other posts, I have absolutely no desire or care to know who you are. So I suggest you stop harping on about who I am, and concentrate on the thread.

Apple is the worlds largest CORPORATION, it may amuse you but FACT none the less (perhaps envy is at play here - can't afford it perhaps).

I will also go as far as saying there are more Mac users in Microsoft and many corporate companies than there are PC users at Apple, so the old statement "No corporation uses a Mac" is finally buried along with your chuckle.

I suggest you get your facts right (they may have worked at IBM many may years ago - time has moved on/but perhaps not them):

http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper

I also suggest you read the thread properly before firing in rage:

The thread title: "VT run time error when posting in Universal Data Input" Hence, my singling out VT.

Last years BKN award not clouding your thoughts/posts I hope.  (Oh £%*$^ I used cloud again)

 

 

 

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Think you could be waiting a while for that apology Shaun!  Im absolutely appalled by such a comment and knowing the small amount about your background that I do, can absolutely confirm that you havent a racist bone in your body!   

Besides the quote just wouldnt have worked with the other picture that has been suggested so why would you have used it?

Never mind that its laughable that someone who has a grand total of less than a dozen posts suggests that the picture wasnt your finest hour - oh but lets ignore all the hours its taken for the 11000+ posts to help people that you have accumulated.  

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MGreen wrote:

An even bigger yawn...
Still being nosey, wanting to know who I am, it really rubs you up the wrong way doesn't it not knowing, I am glad. Doesnt bother me in the slightest who you are, I dont set any credence to your posts. But as I said last time what have you got to hide? So I still wonder what it is that you are so scared of that you dont let everyone know. Lets face it there are certain set of people who hide behind anonymity and they usually fall into one of the following groups:-
Cowards
Trolls
Those seeking to de-stabilise an organisation (or website) to facilitate a hostile takeover.
Spammers.
My post/reply was not directed at you, Does that mean I cannot respond? That is another argument that is flawed in more ways than one. Your original comment was not directed at Shaun, but at Lyndsey so why did you not say the same to Shaun at his initial post? Your comment was not directed at John, so why did you not say the same to him? Wee bit misogynistic perhaps?

Or did you just post the original response to Lyndsey just so you could start an argument with the Moderator, because you knew he would respond to such ridiculous comments? Seems like you are gunning for him for some reason, with a couple of your snide comments. You did the exact same on the first post several months ago because you only retaliated to him in one part, despite others having made the same comments, yet it was as if they didnt feature in the discussion. 
so a personal attack from you was not warranted, but you just could not resist, it's like an itch you just have to scratch it LOL that's what is really funny.

Laugh all you like, but I tell you what is not funny are the insults you have levelled at members of this forum, which frankly are unacceptable and that is why I speak up. I cant stand bully boys. They by the way come under the cowards and trolls in the description above.

Suffice to say having read some of your other posts, I have absolutely no desire or care to know who you are.
Such a contradictory comment you have no interest in me, yet you have gone reading my posts!!!!! 

 

But I will be crying in my sleep tonight MGreen that you will not be my'' fwend''. Oh what am I to do? 

I really do not care what you think of me or frankly any of my posts. But one thing, whilst I have tried to help others over the years and accepted help myself what the hell have you added to this group? What constructive advice have you given? What technical advice have you given? None whatsoever.

So I suggest you stop harping on about who I am, and concentrate on the thread. I think it is you who should have concentrated on the thread and indeed the last one you posted instead of making derogatory and sweeping comments and just looking at the title and diving in with a response based on that, instead of what the real issue was (#)

Apple is the worlds largest CORPORATION, it may amuse you but FACT none the less I never said it wasnt! But its not the largest corporation on the back of its Mac product is it!! Certainly it is currently the largest by market cap, which is what most people look at, although others who are more savvy will also be looking at a raft of other factors and issues and not relying on that one point which has proven to be unreliable for a few in the past when a massive corporation with a huge market cap has imploded! Of course Apples earnings have dropped for three quarters in a row so lets see what happens when they post their next set of results soon. 

(perhaps envy is at play here - can't afford it perhaps). How can one be envious of a corporation? Cant afford it! Lol. Yes thats it. You found me out I cant afford a Mac. Of course I can even though I dont take candy from baby clients! You want to check my Bank balance, property share portfolios? But yet again you do not understand what is going on with this whole conversation. I am not knocking Apple, never have - I have several Apple products and rate them highly, just not the Mac for what I need (and I dont just mean the bookkeeping business).

The point I made was your hilarious comments Apple uses Macs. Made me giggle all day. But you seem to not understand the ridiculousness of such a comment. Of course Apple uses Macs. If they didnt it would be like Google using Bing as their main search engine!

I will also go as far as saying there are more Mac users in Microsoft and many corporate companies than there are PC users at Apple, so the old statement "No corporation uses a Mac" is finally buried along with your chuckle.

First of all you state someone said 'No corporation uses a Mac' - who said that? Apart from you.  Whose quote are you repeating given its in inverted commas , it must be someones quote? But no it wasnt mine, nor can I indeed see it on any other post on this thread. Have I missed that one? Or are you mis-quoting people.

Thats a very common trait in certain folk, ones who can only use twisting peoples words and downright mistruths and mis-information to help bolster their so called argument. So yet another argument that is no way buried oh although I am still laughing at your earlier gag. 
Of all of the large corporations I have ever dealt with, in the UK, across the pond and in other European countries in my career the smallest number use Macs. Im not talking your little one man band or SME IT clients that you clearly deal with, but the really big corporations with bases in the UK. Now maybe that will be on the increase with Apple focussing on why they lost market share on what was once a core product and given the drop in sales in iphones, with greater collaborations between Apple and say Microsoft or indeed just some of the use of the emerging technologies coming out of Silicon Valley, but for now your what you believe as fact doesnt hold true. These Corporations I mention are, by the way, the same large corporations who wouldnt use cloudy accounting products, because not one of them can match the requirements that such large companies need for their Accounting infrastructures. Maybe one day they will, but not yet.

I suggest you get your facts right (they may have worked at IBM many may years ago - time has moved on/but perhaps not them): So when I mentioned people working at IBM who exactly was I referring to and why would you make the assumption that they worked at IBM many many years ago? I had best tell that person they might not get paid for last weeks work!!!!

http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper

I also suggest you read the thread properly (#) before firing in rage: Rage? Ha! Cant recall a single solitary time when anything on BKN has enraged me! Seems to me that the rage is all on your side you clearly have an ulterior motive. 

The thread title:"VT run time error when posting in Universal Data Input" Hence, my singling out VT. (#) I suggest you dont take the title of a thread and use just that to respond to someone. Some thread headers just say 'help'. Others refer to eg a problem with sage when they are actually fundamental double entry questions and nothing whatsoever to do with sage at all. But your comment just serves to prove that it was in fact you who did not read the question at all.

Last years BKN award not clouding your thoughts/posts I hope. (Oh £%*$^ I used cloud again) I have no idea whatsoever you are trying to get at with this last comment. Perhaps you would like to expand on it? 

I havent even started on the response you made to Shaun! But the whole thing is a joke from someone who has been on the site since 2014 but not contributed ONCE to actually help someone, but comes on with sweeping comments and talking nonsense. Although Lyndsey summed it up rather well with her dismissing your comment as it wasnt applicable. Plus as I said before your attitude 'Reminds me of smokers in the earlier part of the last century believing all they did that cigarettes were the next best thing and good for them!!! It being forced on us doesn't make it right nor should we put up and shut up'.

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 That my dear should guarantee you the BKN award for 2016. Shaun, please please make sure she gets the award this year too.

 

MGreen wrote:

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I am not the one in the hole, I was not the one how used an avatar that is offensive and aggressive, which I noticed and commented about and, frankly took offense about. An apology for the use of an avatar that has offended me first?

Yes it did offend me, a lot. Which ever way you look at it, it is a black man with a gun, threatening if one mentions cloud, which way do you expect anyone to view that stance? I am sure you did not expect anyone to comment on that, you think people are too frightened because you are Moderator, well I am not.

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 Can I ask why you found it offensive?  I've not seen the film that Shaun relates to, but reading his comments, it's a twist from a line from a film. [Actually, found it, it's Pulp Fiction] The avatar been up a good few months, and as far as I'm aware, no one has taken offence.  In fact, until you mentioned it, I never associated it with negative racial connotations (which was likely down to the fact there wasn't any)

If the actor is holding a gun in the film, and makes a comment, "say what again, I dare you" and Shaun wants to make a meme based on that, where is the offence?

 

In another post to Joanne That my dear should guarantee you the BKN award for 2016. Shaun, please please make sure she gets the award this year too.

Now who's jealous?  The intelligent among  us are aware that it's people's votes which determine who win the awards, and neither the site owner or Shaun have any influence on it.

 

Leger wrote:

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I've not seen the film that Shaun relates to, but reading his comments, it's a twist from a line from a film. [Actually, found it, it's Pulp Fiction]

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Hi John,

this is the scene. Its a bit of iconic cinema worth watching end to end (actually, the whole film is. Should be on everyone's must own list) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcWPNFcG0ts

Mr Jackson's screen presence in that clip is career defining.

Whole film is full of quotable lines.

Leger wrote:

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MGreen wrote:

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I am not the one in the hole, I was not the one how used an avatar that is offensive and aggressive, which I noticed and commented about and, frankly took offense about. An apology for the use of an avatar that has offended me first?

Yes it did offend me, a lot. Which ever way you look at it, it is a black man with a gun, threatening if one mentions cloud, which way do you expect anyone to view that stance? I am sure you did not expect anyone to comment on that, you think people are too frightened because you are Moderator, well I am not.

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 Can I ask why you found it offensive?  I've not seen the film that Shaun relates to, but reading his comments, it's a twist from a line from a film. [Actually, found it, it's Pulp Fiction] The avatar been up a good few months, and as far as I'm aware, no one has taken offence.  In fact, until you mentioned it, I never associated it with negative racial connotations (which was likely down to the fact there wasn't any)

If the actor is holding a gun in the film, and makes a comment, "say what again, I dare you" and Shaun wants to make a meme based on that, where is the offence?

 

In another post to Joanne That my dear should guarantee you the BKN award for 2016. Shaun, please please make sure she gets the award this year too.

Now who's jealous?  The intelligent among  us are aware that it's people's votes which determine who win the awards, and neither the site owner or Shaun have any influence on it.

 

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Hi John

the first part of what he said- it's called a deflection technique.

People do that when they are in the wrong but cannot admit it.

Now as you rightly point out, the picture has been around for ages, so MGreen has had plenty of chance to tell of his upset by it.

Ok, so playing fair to MGreen (why I've no idea as he doesn't play by the rules of being nice to people) what if he didn't see the picture until he first responded to Lyndsey because he hadn't been on the site for a while. Ok let's take that one. Well then the earliest he could have seen it was the day he replied to Lyndsey ie 27 October. So instead of responding to Lyndsey,  he should first have said... Shaun I take offence to your picture because...' .  Now, if he did not feel he could approach the moderator, although I don't know why you would feel like that, he could wtite to the site owners. 

But no, he waits until 30 October to make the comment.

Then, it's only when he is pulled up for accusing someone else of being racist, that he makes the complaint.

Then, he post a picture himself of a similar picture of  in his words, a black man with a gun. What person who took offence would do that? 

Never mind that as Shaun state, his picture is littered all over the intrnet and has context. Yes context being an important thing here . It is not some random picture.  Plus the rest of what Shaun said.  Colour creed race do not matter, we are just human beings, so why highlight it. 

So, yet again, MGreens argument doesn't work on several levels, but starting with the 4 days!

But if you feel offended in any way MGreen then now you have an inkling of what it is like to be on the end of your tirades, little digs, snide comment so, misquotes, untruths etc as  several people have on this and your previous posts.

 

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-- Edited by Cheshire on Monday 31st of October 2016 08:20:19 AM

Hmm. I've been skim reading this thread because I was away Friday until Sunday, and before and after I was a touch busy - this is the first chance I've had to comment. No point rehashing everything, though, so:

Shaun: I agree - don't change the Avatar now. However, if you did, the ideal text to put on the Clint Eastwood image would be "Go ahead troll, make my day!" I suspect that (or a similar) image with "Go ahead <something>, make my day" is already a commonly used meme.

Speaking of memes, Mr Hitler is always worth checking out.

John: As Shaun says, if you haven't seen Pulp Fiction, check it out - it's very much a must see film.

-- Edited by VinceH on Monday 31st of October 2016 01:35:24 PM

VinceH wrote:

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Hmm. I've been skim reading this thread because I was away Friday until Sunday, and before and after I was a touch busy - this is the first chance I've had to comment. No point rehashing everything, though, so:

Shaun: I agree - don't change the Avatar now. However, if you did, the ideal text to put on the Clint Eastwood image would be "Go ahead troll, make my day!" I suspect that (or a similar) image with "Go ahead <something>, make my day" is already a commonly used meme.

Speaking of memes, Mr Hitler is always worth checking out.

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That was a great video Vince, love the line in there that your service level agreement is as useless as your MCSE qualification. lol. And as for the line about "I wish we had kept the mainframe and coded in COBOL... We were good programmers once". OMG I'm relating to herr Hitler!!! now that could really end up as an offensive avatar when I may actually find myself conceding my position, lol.

I've thought of a few catch phrases along those lines for the Clint one but as we say, I can't now change because of Mgreens post... define irony! lol.

Right what did I miss, been working all week, you guys have way too much time during the week

By the way hope you all like the new avatar.

Those that are easily offended, it is an image from a very famous movie called "Blazing Saddles", if you have not see it, I suggest you do, before commenting on its appropriateness.

Enjoy!

MGreen wrote:

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I recently moved a client from VT to Xero.

VT cashbook? Vt Transaction+? VT Accounts?

Clients words, "every time I want a report such as P/L i have to contact the bookkeeper and he then take 2 days (or more) to send it to me, more over

So the client has a problem with the bookkeeper but you blame the software

I have to keep a separate spreadsheet of who has paid me and who has not as he reconciles the bank once a month",

Why has the bookkkeeper not given the client a copy of VT CAshbook? Again, a bookkeeper issue not the software.

My comment "That is ridiculous, you should have access to your P&L at a touch of a button",

Takes seconds in VT.

she said, "can that be done really?", I said absolutely, more over you will have near real time bookkeeping

As with VT

, you need to be on Cloud Accounting and specifically Xero.

Which if she gives it to the bookkeeper to do she will still have exactly the same issue as the problem was not with the software

Moved her to Xero, She is invoicing from Xero

Which you can do from VT very easily

rather than an excel document prepared by previous bookkeeper, she is emailing the invoices

Which you can do with VT

and also now knows if the client has opened the invoice email (right from Xero).

Only if the client allows notifications to be sent. Note that VT also comes with an emailer program at no extra cost.

Her cash flow has improved because the bank is reconciled everyday on Xero with DIRECT FEED, and instead of getting paid 45 days previously she is getting paid closer to 25 days (her terms are 14 days), because she is able to send email reminders directly to the customers to pay from Xero.

As with VT

Taking up the challenge, I actually asked her, "Do you think what I did was like "taking candy from a baby" with regards to her previous bookkeeper?", she laughed and said "I am so glad you did, I now know much more about the finances of my business and doing invoices and collecting money for my work is a breeze."

Again, the issue was with the way that the previous bookkeeper worked, not the software

She has gone on to recommend me to 3 other clients.

Because you have managed to misinform them because you dont understand the software that you are directing the client away from.

Furthermore, her paper filing is non-existent as we attach scanned PDF copies of each of the bills to her expense transactions.

You are still scanning paper documents. Thats nothing to do with the accounts software, thats a storage issue. Have you informed the client that she must still keep the original documents and that the scanning is simply a way of improving document retrieval for reference purposes.

She now also bills clients (from the Xero app on her iPhone), right after the work is done.

Would need to be a windows device that she has to do that with VT so if you have Apple products Xero would be your better option.

Her business is such that she needs to send yearly reminders of a particular service she provides, using tracking in Xero, she is able to find easily which customers need reminding a month before, this is enabled her plan and get this repeat business efficiently all from Xero.

Would you not use Outlook for that?

I have helped her by not just being a bookkeeper, but understanding her business and finding the right modern solution so that she can grow and understand her business.

You've won business by convincing her that what she has is wrong rather than te;lling her whats wrong with the way that what she already has is being used.

There is no way I could have done this without cloud and using VT.

Because you don't understand VT. That one is your issue not the softwares.

So yes I stand by my comment "Like taking candy from a baby", and would do it again and again,

Because your clients don't know any betteryou can say what you like to them and they will believe you. Basically your business model is based on the gulibility of your clients.

as they say, "Its Business Stupid!"

So now Joanne is stupid? Passes silly comments and is a dinosaur. Add to that your view that anyone who posts here must have too much time on theior hands and thast everyone using BKN is a cowboy!... But is it not you that is withholding facts from your clients. Is it not you who doesn't care where the servers holding their data are located? Is it not you who hasn't told your clients that they risk being unable to access their data?

 

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I'll now respond to the other one as you have really not thought through your new Avatar.

MGreen wrote:

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Right what did I miss, been working all week, you guys have way too much time during the week

By the way hope you all like the new avatar.

Those that are easily offended, it is an image from a very famous movie called "Blazing Saddles", if you have not see it, I suggest you do, before commenting on its appropriateness.

Enjoy!

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 Your picture is offensive. So are you.  i have had lots of help from the people on this site. They are great. Not you. You are a nasty troll.

Hi Shaun
For your comments re VT, you could also interchange with the word Sage. You can even get a current view on your PC, phones and ipads. Ive seen large practices uses Sage for day to day stuff and still use VT for final accounts.

Re the picture with the KKK that this poster has included - yes from an old film, just had a watch of it actually, yet nowhere can I find the contextualised link in the wording, unlike your pic Shaun, so his is just another attempt by him to muddy the waters,  to get one over on someone, but he just looks like a 5 year old having a tantrum.    Although he suggests if you join BKN then you are a cowboy, that made me laugh - irony- so he must be one too as he joined BKN.   His post gave me another giggle - I mean  - if someone is going to insult me - at least put the comma in the right place in the quote, otherwise it doesnt actually makes sense.    But its all water off a ducks back - if it was from someone I respected in the first place then I would probably take a different view, but in this instance its all just white noise.  John summed it up nicely but yet again his post has been ignored.   Although I wonder what the BKN owner would think of someone attempting to trash his business by such means.

Did you see the recent results re Apple by the way? Made for an interesting couple of minutes dissecting them, not going in the right direction for them at the moment.

 

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-- Edited by Cheshire on Saturday 5th of November 2016 05:28:26 PM

Love the post it. I really should get round to watching Knight and Day, seen some v funny clips On You Tube.