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I've recently been informed by another book keeper that you don't need to keep fuel receipts if the amount of fuel upon which you are reclaiming VAT is less than £50 ..... is this correct?

Thanks, Deb

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Really!

I was always made to believe receipts for everything no matter how small.

I'll have a look around but my first impression is that you're being led up the garden path with that one.

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Shaun.

-- Edited by Shamus on Friday 26th of March 2010 11:00:58 PM

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That was exactly my response so would be interesting to know for sure, thanks!

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The only thing I can find where a VAT receipt is not required is:

Extract from VAT700 Par 19.7.5

 

(b) you do not need a VAT invoice for some types of supply if your total

expenditure for each taxable supply was £25 or less (including VAT). You must be

sure that the supplier was registered for VAT. If in doubt, check with our National

Advice Service. This applies to:

telephone calls from public or private telephones;

purchases through coin-operated machines;

car-park charges (on-street parking meters are not subject to

VAT); and

a single or return toll charge.
Hope this helps and the formatting is OKBill



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That's great, thanks.

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Deb you have been misinformed!

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interesting!

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I would always apply the principle that receipts are required!

I have heard of the under £25 rule, but would not tell my clients that.

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Perhaps what was meant (or should have been meant) is the you do not need a VAT receipt for items under £25 - you do, however, need a receipt.

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Is that right Sheila? Is that if you are paying fuel scale charges?

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As far as I am aware, Mr VATman will accept unofficial receipts (ie like you get for petrol from supermarkets unless you ask for a VAT receipt) provided they are under £25.

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Well you live and learn! I didn't think you could get away with that at all. Thanks for the info.

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On a caveat Rob, you need to be sure the supplier is VAT registered.

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with petrol now at £68,000 per litre, I don't think theres much chance of them not being!ashamed

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Has it gone up again? hmm


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As Yazz used to say Steve, 'the only way is up'.....cheeky toddler but I don't remember her in 'only fools..'!

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Better get back to stripping then smile

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RobH wrote:

As Yazz used to say Steve, 'the only way is up'.....cheeky toddler but I don't remember her in 'only fools..'!




Yes I see the theme now ....................... I shall search for a picture smile



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semsley wrote:

As far as I am aware, Mr VATman will accept unofficial receipts (ie like you get for petrol from supermarkets unless you ask for a VAT receipt) provided they are under £25.



The £25 ruling can sometimes be confused with the ruling for simplified or modified VAT invoices.

The following quotes should clarify:- 

 

***If you are treating as input tax the VAT on goods or services supplied to you:

(a) the invoice can be made out to an employee for subsistence expenses mentioned in paragraph 12.1 and for petrol (see Notice 700/64 Motoring expenses); and

(b) you do not need a VAT invoice for some types of supply if your total expenditure for each taxable supply was £25 or less (including VAT). You must be sure that the supplier was registered for VAT. If in doubt, check with our National Advice Service. This applies to:

  • telephone calls from public or private telephones;
  • purchases through coin-operated machines;
  • car-park charges (on-street parking meters are not subject to VAT); and
  • a single or return toll charge.***


***Simplified VAT invoices

If you make retail sales and you make a sale of goods or services for £250 or less including VAT, then when a customer asks for a VAT invoice, you can issue a simplified VAT invoice that only needs to show:

·       the seller's name and address

·       the seller's VAT registration number

·       the time of supply (tax point)

·       a description of the goods or services

Also, if the supply includes items at different VAT rates then for each different VAT rate, your simplified VAT invoice must also show:

·       the total price including VAT

·       the VAT rate applicable to the item

If you accept credit cards, then you can create a less detailed invoice by adapting the sales voucher you give the cardholder when you make the sale. It must show the information described in the six bullets above

You do need to keep copies of any less detailed invoices you issue.

Modified VAT invoices

If you sell goods or services for more than £250 including VAT, and your customer agrees, you may issue a modified VAT invoice showing the VAT-inclusive value of each standard-rated or reduced rate item.

The modified VAT invoice must show separately the total:

·       VAT-inclusive value of each standard-rated or reduced rate item

·       VAT payable on those items

·       value of those items excluding VAT

·       value of any zero-rated items included on the invoice

·       value of any exempt items included on the invoice

The modified invoice must otherwise show the details required on a full VAT invoice.

If you are unable to offer either a simplified or modified invoice, you must issue a full VAT invoice.****

 



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Thanks Julie, that has cleared that up. So in essence the £25 rule with no vat invoice is for things you cannot easily get a receipt for, like parking meters etc. It is also acceptable for an employee to hand in a petrol vat receipt for under £25.

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RobH wrote:

Thanks Julie, that has cleared that up. So in essence the £25 rule with no vat invoice is for things you cannot easily get a receipt for, like parking meters etc. It is also acceptable for an employee to hand in a petrol vat receipt for under £25.




 Hi Rob

I read that part to mean that the invoice can be made out to an employee when it is for subsistence or motoring expenses - whereas normally the invoice must be made out to the business.

Julie.



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Yes I agree but I assumed that a petrol receipt not made out to anybody from the employee would also be acceptable (on the grounds that they just give you a printed one normally). Either way the vat receipt needs to be there.

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RobH wrote:

Yes I agree but I assumed that a petrol receipt not made out to anybody from the employee would also be acceptable (on the grounds that they just give you a printed one normally). Either way the vat receipt needs to be there.




I think it's one of those statements which in itself can cause confusion; as in, when was the last time you can remember getting a receipt made out to anyone when buying fuel.  Although, having said that, credit card details are shown on fuel receipts which in turn could prove who purchased the supply - but regardless of who buys the supply there really isn't any excuse not to have the receipt as one is always readily available on request.  In general fuel receipts would fall into the simplified category as my understanding is that the £25 ruling only applies to goods and/or services where one cannot easily obtain a receipt. 



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Hi Guys,

Sorry, lack of english ... but does it mean i can claim vat on mileage? I'm paying my employee for petrol he uses for work (40ppm), but he never hand in the receipts... should i ask for???...he travels a lot and sometimes he claims ~£200 per month...


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Hello Everyone.

Need your help please :^)

Does anyone know if i can claim Vat back on fuel bought in the rep.ireland ?

Thanks

-- Edited by amlapam on Friday 30th of April 2010 12:37:22 PM

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When I first saw your user name it read "napalm" weird but true.

Do they charge VAT in N.I?

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Steve it's Eire and it does have VAT but it will be a different rate, I'm not sure about claiming this because, presumably it could be put as an EU purchase.

-- Edited by semsley on Friday 30th of April 2010 06:03:58 PM

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Sorry misread the post, republic not NI, meh why do other countries always copy the british tax system, when I was leaving OZ they were just having a referendum on their equivalent of VAT and painted such a rosy picture, gribble groan governments smip.

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