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Hi Guys,

Have been studying the AAT Level 2 Bookkeeping course for the last 6 weeks, and on Monday I took the exam and passed! Obviously very pleased but am now not sure what to do next. I think work experience would be the way to go, but in which field? Something like Purchase or Sales Ledger maybe? I think long term the idea of being a self employed bookkeeper sounds tempting but will there be any work out there for someone so inexperienced?

As for the exam, I was surprised how easy it was compared with the mocks I had tried (and failed!), although exam nerves made sure I had to work hard all the way through. Was a bit disappointed I wasn't given a score, just that I was 'competent'. Can you find out your score some way?

Thanks for any advice :)

[Posted in Recruitment before, and only 1 reply, maybe that section is not looked at much??]

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Hi,

don't have such a downer on yourself. Once upon a time everyone on here lacked experience and everyone has had nerves about whether they are doing the right thing and whether they might just be throwing their money away on training.

In doing the AAT ABC Bookkeeping you have shown a willingness to learn something new (well done on passing by the way). As you have rightly identified the next stage is getting some experience in the real world.

You've correctly identified a couple of roles which you should be pushing for. A third is credit control which covers an awful lot of bookkeeping skills when your trying to recast accounts back to scratch and chase lost payments through the system.

Whilst your looking could I suggest purchasing the BPP AAT units 1 - 4 revision companion (ISBN-13: 978-0751767148). This is one of the best books for keeping you on your toes with practical bookkeeping scenarios.

Whatever SAGE practice you can get in now do it as that's likely to be a major selling point with any employer. Also make sure that you are up to speed with Excel including VLookups and Pivot Tables.

Excel is one of those products that anyone can use but few can use it well. That product really is the key to a success in this business.

Try to get on the good side of someone at a recruitment agency. Reed seem to have a huge chunk of our market so have words with someone there and go in for a chat and to register with them.

Temping is a very good way of getting varied experience quickly. Getting the first temp role can take a while but once you have landed the first then it's like a snowball rolling down a hill and you'll find yourself moving between clients with relative ease.

Once you have a position it might be a good idea to build on your studies and do the full AAT qualification.

Don't forget to keep us all informed of your progress won't you.

Good luck,

Shaun.

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Exellent advice. Much appreciated. Will keep you up to speed with my new 'journey'! Thanks again :)

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I'd agree with Shaun regarding getting experience. The best way is through temping because you are presented with many different types of businesses, different systems, different ways of working, different situations and problems to solve which is all very good preparation for going it alone.

Good luck.

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With regard to Excel training is it better to go with Excel 2007 or an older version. I have 2007 but don't want to waste my time learning something that most people won't have.

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In fact, 2007 has now been replaced with 2010 so you could argue that your already wasting your time learning something that's outdated!

You still need to learn more than the basics though and Vlookups, Pivot tables and Macro programming are all still there.

Personally I don't like the Ribbon but through gritted teeth I've conceded that it's something that I'm going to have to live with.

Indeed, almost all big business that I work with has not moved to 2007 but has retained 2003 as that version is aimed more towards the serious power user... They're also still on XP as are all of the machines in my office although when I next replace a machine I have no qualms about moving to Windows 7, I just wouldn't have Vista on a business machine.

On the Excel front I maintain versions of Excel 97, 2000, 2003 and 2007 on my machines due to supporting Macro's written for various institutions.

Under the hood very little has actually changed with Excel since Excel 4, it's just that Microsoft keep getting better at hiding the things that you need!





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At one of my clients I use Excel 2008 for Mac and I had a real problem today, it doesn't have (or I couldn't find) page break preview which I really, really, wanted to sort the pages the way I wanted them. Aaaaarghh. At home I still use 2000 and love it.

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Hi Sheila,

To view the page breaks try hitting CNTL + F2

There's also Page Break Preview (third item from the left in workbook views) on the view tab.

The one that grinds my gears is that switching off displaying grid lines and zero values is now hidden away in advanced options.




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Flimper,

I know exactly what kind of emotions you are going through as would anyone that has an accounting background.  All I can say is that I graduated college 4 years ago, spent about a year and a half job hunting, and all I can say is it is tough out there.  Ultimatly Quinn & De Luca, LLC was started, because well, if no one wanted to hire me I will hire myself.  This past year we started an online service so we could accommodate not only the state of New Jersey, which is where we are located, but also the entire US.  So, with first hand experience on how difficult it is to break into the job market(in the US), we ended up deciding that this tool could not only help us expand our clientele it could also be a tool used by other individuals, witch a accounting background, to start there own business without incurring start up costs...Im going to stop there because I do not want this to come across as a advertisement, instead my partner Victor and I are genuinely aware of the difficulties of finding a job.  IDK, just another thought for you too consider.  If you want you can check out the website....www.virtualaccountingonline.com
Good Luck with your hunt and also wanted to say that I registered for this forum because it seemed to have a great community with a vast knowledge of accounting.
Sry so long...Yikes



-- Edited by NDeLuca on Friday 25th of June 2010 02:44:38 PM

-- Edited by NDeLuca on Friday 25th of June 2010 02:50:51 PM

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Is there a good study course that can get me to Excel Intermediate status? I consider myself at a level beyond basic but after having a look at online tests I am definitely not as competent as I'd hoped :(

Ideally it would be fairly cheap and not take 6-8 weeks as I'm all studied out now!

-- Edited by flimper on Sunday 27th of June 2010 11:14:50 AM

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Just to add the above post makes it sound like I want to cut corners, I don't. I want to get to Intermediate skill at least. Also, if I had to learn Excel or Sage, which would be more important to a potential employer?

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Hi Flimper,

Sage is something that you sell yourself on but Excel is something that it's expected that everyone will have.

The best way to learn Excel is to have a project of some sort.

My first one was a shares portfolio with separate worksheets for each share and a totals worksheet that was automatically updated.

Very simple concept but one of those things that can get more and more complex.

I'm sure that there's probably something in your life that you could build a multi sheet spreadsheet from.

What about calculating out your mortgage repayments for the next few years and recording credit card debts and loans?

Again, simple concept that you can build on.

Try to think of things that will require analysis, formula's, Vlookups and pivot tables.

If your still at a loss a good book that you could acquire would be Excel 2007 Data Analysis and Business Modeling by Microsoft Press.

As mentioned at the start of this reply. Excel is an essential but Sage will get you the job. You actually need to acquire both skills.

Good luck,

Shaun.

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Strangely enough the advice I'm about to give came from Shaun in the first place and thats to have a look at accountingweb as they do some pretty cool tutorials on Excel with good data examples to work with.

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Hi Steve,

Good call. that one is really excellent.

The reason that I didn't give that pointer though was that I was thinking that it's really geared towards Excel 1997 - 2003 so as a newbie to Excel and using Excel 2007 flimper might get lost having to track down the commands.



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The one thing I would not recommend is going on an intermediate course at a college or a training body. They work to a national standard syllabus and the things taught are not what you need to know. If you are confident at self-learning then the best way is a book, I have one or two at home I'll give some titles when I get back.

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Not even a sniff of a job so far, even though I will work for peanuts to climb the ladder. Even minimum wage roles require experience :(

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