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Hi there, I've never dealt with factoring before, and I have a potential client who deals with factoring. He is also VAT registered on a cash accounting scheme.

Now I know that VAT cannot be declared until the sales invoice has been paid to the factoring company.

Could you tell me if the following seems correct?

Raise initial sales invoice:
Dr Debtors £1000
Cr Sales £1000

Factoring company gives money on invoice
Dr Current Account £800
Cr Factoring Loan Account £800

Factoring company receives money from customer and pays remainder of money to customer less fees
Dr Current Account £100
Dr Factoring Charges £100
Cr Factoring Loan Account £200

This would then leave the Loan Account with a zero balance.

How would I clear the sales invoices from debtors and declare VAT? What do I debit?
Dr ????
Cr Debtors £1000
Cr VAT £166.67

Or have I gone about this the wrong way?

Thanks



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Hi There

This is the journals i would do assuming a sale of £1000+VAT and 80% net is paid by factoring company in issuing invoice

Dr Debtors £1000

Cr Sales £1000

Being £1000 sale

 

Dr Bank £800

Cr Factoring Loan £800

Being £800 received from Factoring Company

 

Dr Bank £300

Dr Factoring Charges £100

Cr Factoring Loan £400

Being £1200 (inc £200 VAT) paid to Factoring Company by Customer, £300 balance paid less £100 charge

 

Dr Factoring Loan £1200

Cr Debtors £1200

Clearing out the factoring loan and Debtor as invoice paid

 

Dr Debtors £200

Cr VAT £200

Being VAT on £1000 as invoice now paid

 

Think that would be the necessary journals

 

Regards

 

MarkS



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Forgot to show the final position

Would leave the following

Dr Factoring Charge £100

Dr Bank £1100

Cr Sale £1000

Cr VAT £200

So you have recognised sale of £1k, have £200 VAT liability, are £1100 better off in bank and have an expense of £100 for using Factoring company.

 

Regards

 

MarkS



-- Edited by MarkS on Wednesday 30th of March 2011 01:49:47 PM

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Hi Mark, thanks for that. Going to have a little play with some more figures to get it to sink in!
Out of interest, would it be the same if the customer uses Sage or other computerised package? Would I have to match the sales invoice against the two receipts so that it clears the debtors and the VAT is taken into acount.

Sorry, I like using manual journals like you have given me, easier to follow than computer software.

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In theory using software should be the same but would depend on how the software processes the journals.

At the end of the day you want to show the correct position which will depend on the factoring agreement. 

My journals is just an explanation of how factoring works in general but will depend on the specific agreement as to the form of any accounting entries.

Regards

Mark



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