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Hello,

I wonder if anyone could help me with this one. 

I have a new client, he was doing all bookkeeping himself...

When I started he gave me a list of all debtors with a total of £10,737.20 and creditors with total of £7,916.48, he also passed those details to his accountant. 

Few days ago I received opening balances from his accountant and to be honest I am a bit confused with the creditors figure and the deferred income account. 

I've tried to contact the accountant but he doesn't reply and I would like to have those figures in the system by Monday. 

There are many great accountants on this forum, so if you could have a look at the attached trial balance and help me out I would be very grateful. 

Many thanks,



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Hi Alexsandra

Although the difference between your clients list of creditors and the accountants is £5k and this is the same as the accruals/deferred income i think this is just conincidence.  Both are credit balances so the total liablity is £17,916.48.

You would need to get the accountant to give you the breakdown of their creditors figure and the client to do likewise to find out what the £5k extra in the accountants figures is for.

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-- Edited by Aleksandra on Saturday 14th of January 2012 08:54:56 PM

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Hi,

Today I received a reply from the accountant and he said that one £5k is a reserve for subcontractor cost and the other £5k are sales deferred to 2012 and those adjustments were made mainly to reduce the tax defer the tax liability to 2012.
The accountant also sent me a list of creditors and debtors and is exactly the same as the one I received from my client.

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Yeah that would make sense

£5k subcontractor cost would be the extra £5k in creditors

£5k deferred sales would be the £5k deferred income/accruals.

Net result of the adjust is to reduce profits by £10k and defers Corp Tax of £2k for at least a year (which probably pays for the accountants fees).

Oh how we love creative accounting.

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MarkS



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Hi Mark,

When I enter all opening balances now, I'll have accruals/deferred income and creditors account both £5k in credit, shall I leave them as they are or any journal entries are required from me?

I've just noticed that the debtors amount is not exactly the same either - the trial balance debtors total is £450 less than the total on the debtors list. There is an invoice for £450 and I can see on the P/L account, that this amount (£450) has been written off as bad debt by the accountant, but I know that the company received that £450 payment, so what me as a bookkeeper should do about that?



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Would get the accountant to give you their opening trial balance and make sure the clients opening trial balance equals the accountants.

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Thanks Mark,

The problem is they do not equal.

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