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Hi all. Sorry if this is a bit longwinded yawn

I have obtained a new client and have prepared his 2011/2012 SA Return. 

Within this accounting period he paid his previous Accountants fees due for the 2010/2011 Return.

I have entered this fee in the Return.

My fee will thererfore go in next years Return.

When a client ceases to trade, it would create the need to prepare a further Tax Return the following year to claim  fees and so on......

I was informed by HMRC a long time ago to claim the fees within the accounting period of the Return. 

Any advise, other then I need a holiday?

Thank you

 

Jay

 

 



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Jay, clear last year's accountancy fees with a debit from drawings.
Next, debit accountancy with this years fees and credit current liabilities.
When HMRC informed you; they meant this years fees within the accounting period of the Return.

Shaun has touched on this on the Depreciation thread if you want to read up on it and here's another link which may help.

http://accountingexplained.com/financial/principles/accrual

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Tim



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Hi Tim

Dont know why you want to clear last years accountancy by Dr drawings?  It is a valid expense that can be claimed.

Appears that in previous returns the accountancy fee hasnt been accrued but accounted for as what was paid in the year ie last years accountancy fee.

What you will need to do is

Dr Accountancy

Cr Accruals

with your fee for the 2012 return.

This will mean you will have 2 years accounting fees in the one return ie 2011 accounts and 2012 accounts.  This is fine as will need to be one year where 2 years are included if you move from cash to accruals accounting.

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MarkS



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Hi Mark,

Yes, Jay might be able to tell us if a claim for accountancy was completely omitted in the opening year, or at least some earlier year. Thanks for pointing that out though, because it would be a bind to have to alter the 10-11 Return. I was taking it that a fee had been claimed every year, even if it was not quite known why.

kind regards,
Tim

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Sorry for the delay in responding.

I wote to the previous Accountant for proffesional clearance and for copies of appropriate schedules etc. 

I obtained just a copy of 2010/2011 tax return.

This showed for  Legal fees of £305 were claimed

The client said these were fees were for 2009/2010 but paid September 2010.

This of course is within 2010/2011 and so on.

Sorry if this is not clear, its one of those things I just cant get to grips with. 

 

Thank you Jay

 

 

 

 



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Sounds like if fees relating to 2009/10 where in the 2010/11 return and paid in sept 2010 that the previous accountant has been preparing the tax return on a cash basis rather than an accruals basis.  ie putting through in the tax year the fee paid in that tax year irrespective of what period they were due for.

You could carry on this practice or if you want to accrue your fee in the 2011/12 tax return then you will have 2 accountancy fees ie the one for 2010/11 which will have been paid in tax year 2011/12 and your own fee which you are accruing.

This raises the question as to how much of the 2010/11 tax return has been prepared on a cash basis rather than an accruals basis.

i would ask the previous accountant for a detailed breakdown of all the figures in the 2010/11 tax return as if things like accruals, prepayments, debtors and creditors havent been recognised then this will have an impact on the 2011/12 or will mean you need to amend teh 2010/11

Good luck.

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MarkS



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Hi Mark.

Thank you for your guidance.

It now makes sense. 

 

Regards

 

Jay



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