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I'd generally not bother to recommend a specific printer - nobody can, really, since printers tend to be something you buy and keep for a longish time, so the only thing people can comment on reliably is the one they own and use. (And when they've changed printers, their previous printers are likely to be out of date and no longer on the market).

I'd normally start printer advice with two questions: How much or how frequently do you print? And what sort of things do you print? You've clearly already answered one of those questions ("It's been hammered" and "the rest of the family uses it") - and I'd extrapolate from that, and assume photographic printing is included, possibly in the homework depending on what it is.

The reason I ask these questions is because there are two main types of printers to consider: inkjets and lasers.

Inkjets tend to be cheaper to buy, and the ink cartridges are cheaper, but overall they are more expensive per page. For photographic printing, though - especially with decent quality paper designed for the purpose - lasers can't touch them on quality (though you can still get pretty good results from a laser, which is often more than good enough for the purpose).

Lasers, on the other hand, are more expensive to buy, and toner cartridges are more expensive than ink cartridges - but that toner lasts so much longer, resulting in a much cheaper cost per page.

Also, depending on your requirements, bear in mind the type of paper (etc) you can feed through each - colour lasers tend not to have a straight paper path, so they're more limiting in what you can feed through them without causing problems (most standard label stock is out, as is paper over certain weights, and so on).

So, think about your requirements and consider whether ink or laser is more suitable - if you're printing a lot (as you say) but you don't need photographic quality prints, then you've probably been spending a fortune on ink; that cost could potentially go down. (Unless your kids suddenly start printing more because the "ink" doesn't run out so quickly!)

As to your other requirements:

You use your printer for faxing at the moment; consider if you really need to. How frequently do you fax? Would it be cheaper, perhaps, to use a fax to email service? (I pay £10 plus VAT per year, and then 10p for each page I send - by email, which is faxed to the recipient. Faxes that come to my fax number are free, and are received by me as emails. For the number of faxes I actually send and receive, that's a lot cheaper than wasting money on a line, and extra money on hardware to make use of it. All I need is a scanner - whether it's in the printer, or separate.)

And you mention wireless because everyone uses the printer - but if you are able to put the printer near your router, then you might be able to get away with one that can is networked, but not wireless - i.e. it can be connected to the router with an ethernet cable.

 

Edit: What I forgot to add was that since you're clearly happy with how the HP Photosmart has performed, and if you're happy with the cost of running it (so the points about lasers being cheaper per page aren't relevant) then HP's latest offering in that range would seem logical!



-- Edited by VinceH on Thursday 23rd of May 2013 11:35:29 AM

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"I have to disagree slightly with that statement about upgrading to the latest offering though in that I've had two HP 5610's. Both brilliant. First one killed by home brand cartidge from Tesco, second one still working after six years of misuse."

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Yes, that makes sense - and it's also reinforcing my opening paragraph about why nobody can really advise specific printers: We only really know about the ones we use (and I don't use a HP printer), which might not be suitable for the person seeking advice - their needs will not necessarily be the same. (The suggestion to stick with HP might seem counter to that - but it's often a safe bet to suggest more of the same, since the reason for upgrading isn't something along the lines of "I'm sick of these rubbish HP printers that are nothing but trouble!" ;)

Also, depending how long ago it was bought, the one we're most familiar with - the one we own and use - might not even be available anymore. (I bet mine isn't for example - I've had it since 2008**. A Samsung CLX-216somethingN. I'm not at home, and the computer just tells me CLX-216x; I can't remember what that fourth digit actually is. Might be an 8 - but it could also be any one of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 9. ;)

** And it should last me at least as long again, and a lot more besides. The only reason I might want to change it is because a duplex printer would be very useful for me - so when I see a colour laser, networked duplex multifunction printer that isn't too expensive (and can cope with A5 paper) and will fit on my desk, I might consider upgrading.



-- Edited by VinceH on Thursday 23rd of May 2013 12:34:18 PM

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HI,

My old printer (HP Photosmart) is on its last legs and I really do need to get a new one.  Its been hammered over the past 3 years so have been pleased with HP.  At the moment when you fax it comes up with an error even though it the fax went through, and now it won't scan anything, or copy anything unless you put it through the fax feed. Also when you print on Fast draft the lines are very wiggerly, I have tried re aligning it but to no avail.

So time to buy a new one, but to be honest I am baffled by the new ones and which one to chose.  Any ideas anyone?

I like the separate colour cartridges and it has to be able to scan/copy/print/fax and be wireless as the rest of the family sometimes uses it for printing off homework.

Any suggestions will be greatly received.

 

Many thanks,

A



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VinceH wrote:
if you're happy with the cost of running it (so the points about lasers being cheaper per page aren't relevant) then HP's latest offering in that range would seem logical!

Hi Vince,

like Amanda I'm a strong advocate of HP printers (as evidenced by the little graveyard of them that I have).

I have to disagree slightly with that statement about upgrading to the latest offering though in that I've had two HP 5610's. Both brilliant. First one killed by home brand cartidge from Tesco, second one still working after six years of misuse.

I needed another printer so tried to get another 5610 but they have been discontinued and replaced with the 4500 which I have to say is the cheapest feeling peice of tat that I've ever purchased so really to stay equivalent to the old model I now need to go up several models (possibly to the 8610) but being "prudent" in my spending I won't buy another until this one is broken.

Have you ever noticed that there is a direct reverse correlation between the bits of equipment that you want to break and the one's that actually do?... Eventually I had to give up with the CRT monitors as I really needed the desk space that they were hogging.



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Hi,

Thanks guys for the advise, I have been looking at a new HP, but was undecided, looked at Epson but I'm not convinced by them. When I mean hammered I had a client (who I no longer work for), and I use to print alot of stuff for him, since loosing him although the printer is still used alot its not as much as before. I don't print photos on mine any more as its just not up to the job now. My son uses it sometimes to print homework off, and I print off quite abit for business and also study material.

Its only recently thats its started playing up so up until that point I have been pleased with it.

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I also recently replaced an HP Photosmart which I'd been really really happy with. I bought an HP Photosmart 5510 and I'm really disappointed. I can't get the paper to feed in straight most of the time. The tray it comes out onto feels really flimsy and I'm sure will break at some point. The ink cartridges only seem to last a few days compared to the old one (but are cheaper I suppose). But the straight feed is the most disappointing thing, it looks awful when you give a client a letter and it's wonky. I will replace it when I can afford it.

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Hi Princess,

on the ink cartridge thing. Have you noticed that the new cartridges seem to be manufactured so that they cannot be refilled. (I assume some rubber coating over the top of the sponge to prevent it from absorbing ink from above)... Which would explain why you also cannot get the cartridges as remanufactured ones.

My god if I had to buy a new cartridge every time I would be bankrupt in no time.

It sounds as though the 5510 is similar to the 4500 in that it seems that I've had more robust plastic provided with a ready meal packaging than the quality of that on the printer.

Also, the software CD took best part of a morning to install. Nothing fancy, no messing around. Just really, really slow at getting the information from the disk to the hard drive.

I only print in B&W so when I change I may move back to a laser and as HP seem to be saving every penny that they can it might be time to take a look at Kyocera next as they are the other printers appart from HP's that I'm used to using at client sites and whilst I've never owned one myself I've also never seen any major problems with them when they are basically running non stop for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week.

And that really is what we all want. A printer that we press print and the document pops out, quickly, clearly and without hassle.... Oh, and noislessly. I remember the old line printers.


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The other thing you may not have noticed (because they look the same and are designed to fool) is that the ink tank within the cartridge is actually smaller. You'll only realise this of you look at the ml reading. I was very surprised when I realised.

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HI Guys and Gals,

Just had this one emailed to me from Ryman, its slightly cheaper than amazon. I went on Amazon to get the review. What do you all think? I have never had a Brother before so I have no idea what they are like.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brother-MFC-J4410DW-All-In-One-Printer-Capabilities/dp/B00B4EKY7A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369317985&sr=8-1&keywords=brother+MFC-J4410DW

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Hi Amanda

They aren't all they are cracked up to be so I wouldn't bother. Mine used to pick on me all the time and get me in trouble, my sister was really nice though.

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ROFL

I had two and they were just the same. I'd never get another.

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What about an HP7520 Photosmart? Just been reading the reviews on the net and that one seems okay. Seriously though is the Brother printer a good one or not?

I don't have any brothers! Only sisters, always wanted a brother to rough and tumble with (was a tomboy when I was young).

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Just had emailed to me today from Staples an offer on an Epson. Its a WF2540WF model. Its a 4 in 1 printer. What are the Epsons like in general? I have never had one.

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Brothers. Don't get me started on them. Ink cartridges, yes smaller. I gave up on refills as they seemed to disagree with the previous printer. I don't print a great deal of stuff, mainly engagement letters and tax returns for clients to sign, everything else is emailed as a pdf. I guess the printer was cheap and I shouldn't have expected more but I loved the old one, it was my first printer and my true love...too much wine. I need to get a life.

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Best investment I ever made was a Lexmark Platinum Pro905

Two papertrays, scans, document feeder, fax, wireless, excellent print quality, seperate ink colours, and the cheapest black in I have found (OE Cartridges)

It's worth checking out Amanda

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HI Bill,

Thanks for the info, I've had a look and although I think it will be great its slightly out of my price range unfortunately. Thanks anyway.

Have a good weekend!

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Hi Amanda

I always used to have HP's, but switched to Epson about 18 months ago when my HP died - on my Dad's recommendation.

The Epson has been brilliant, fairly economic with ink, no strange paperjam problems (previous slight bugbear!). I had a quick look at the one you said, and it looks like the updated version of mine. Love the auto document feeder, really easy to use and also makes scanning double sided documents much easier - have to admit I'm not the most technical person but I've found the Epson machine's really user friendly.

Just my opinion & experience, definitely no expert!!

Helen

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The Consumers Association might not be a bad place to research.

http://www.which.co.uk/technology/computing/reviews-ns/best-printer-brands/hp-printers/


I've not commented before apart from giggling at Steve because my solution is to have two printers - a laser for most things and a 4 in 1 for faxing and the couple of times a year I want something in colour. My HP Laserjet 1012 is still going strong but complains a bit since I spilt tea on it. I also liked the predecessor 1100 so much I got a second hand one as a spare. Never need to bother with the scanner add-on.

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Hi Helen,

Thanks for the info on Epson, originally I was going to by an HP to replace my old HP but the HP I was going to get has very mixed reviews so I haven't ordered it. I have been looking at the Epson WF2540WF and to be honest its looking pretty good, the reviews are good so I think I will give it a go. And at £69 including VAT a real bargain.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

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You can also try Canon's PIXMA MG3120 W/PP-201 printer. It also offers  fantastic quality, ease of use and versatility.



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Amanda wrote:

Hi Helen,

Thanks for the info on Epson, originally I was going to by an HP to replace my old HP but the HP I was going to get has very mixed reviews so I haven't ordered it. I have been looking at the Epson WF2540WF and to be honest its looking pretty good, the reviews are good so I think I will give it a go. And at £69 including VAT a real bargain.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Cheers,


 You won't go far wrong with an epson printer.  Just read up on the one you mention and at that price it's an absolute bargain.  I have a PX650 and before that one of the Epson stylus models and I've been more than happy with them.

 

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