Well, just read .... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3064915/The-Internet-reach-limit-just-eight-years-warn-engineers.html
I think anyone, who's business solely relies on Cloud based software needs to have a good contingency plan and business continuity plan .. if the internet goes down !!
May be, there will be no business if the internet goes down !!! who knows but why risk it !!!
Given that it's a link to the Daily Fail website, and I don't have any highly concentrated bleach with which to wash my eyes afterwards, I'm not sure I can be bothered reading it.
Instead, I'll just assume that because it's a link to the Daily Fail website, the article is probably just alarmist nonsense.
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Hmmm, as I was scrolling down to your reply Vince that's exactly what I was thinking. If there's a similar article in New Scientist (which I love) then I'll perhaps begin to take it more seriously
Joking apart though, down here in deep dark Devon I work with many clients with very iffy internet. One in particular has been using QuickBooks desktop for many years, is completely happy with it and will not change without an exceptionally good reason (even then it's doubtful) but QuickBooks are now being more than pushy about trying to get her to move to QB Online. Not a practical solution at all for her business. SHe's been without internet for 7 weeks this calendar year so far (and then relies on a mobile internet device for email etc). Until the promise of reliable high speed internet to every household in Britain (note - not London!) is a reality then cloud solutions are not an option for many.
The 'internet' is only limited by the hardware that stores the data. Can't see any logical reason why it would burst. Even basic hard drives etc. are consistently getting smaller.
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Just taking a five min break from doing the education systems work for it so won't be dropping into a full scale debate, I'm just here in passing.
Hi Clare,
Concurred totally. I've experienced the same over in Lincolnshire. The assumption that the whole country is online is nonsense.
Hi Phil,
whilst I concur on the storage of information side, isn't the real issue the amount of data that can be pushed down the line and the more concurrent users the slower the end user response times will be to the point where if they continue to process data the same that it is processed today then things will grind to a halt.
The issue though is that the article is working from the premise of comparing pull requirements in x years against todays software and hardware, where increased demand will simply mean the end of the lazy programmers who don't care about the amount of line traffic that is transmitted with each pull request.
I was unfortunate enough to work with some programmers using HTML and was absolutely horrified at the amount of wasted data being sent down the line.
It's not their fault of course as I'm currently helping my son with his ICT and Computing GCSE's and time and again I've come accross sample answers stating that in todays world storage capacity is not considered an issue.... Maybe not, but it should be. What hope do people have of getting it right when the education system gets it so wrong.
I feel that we will see a return to old school develoment where people consider the amount of data transmitted and a demise of lazy programming practices and wasteful data storage methods. I do not foresee the internet stopping as what exists in eight years will not be the same as what exists now but the daily mail is scare mongering on the basis that it will be.
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Huge amounts of data transfered by the program instead of more traditional distributed systems such as CICS where only the data that has changed is transferred.
All programming is based around the manipulation of data so it was the programmers using HTML the same as I would use DB2 or IMS DB/DC or VSAM or CICS temporary storage or transient data queues. Even though the programming langauage that I would be using would be COBOL (or PL1) I am still using the data transmission and storage methods as I am developing solutions so regard such as part of the programming.
I would be happy to be corrected and told that my experience of internet solutions development is not the typical way that such solutions are developed but my experience to date (which cannot be isolated as we are talking about dozens of experienced contract developers all working independantly in the same manner) has been that the developers transfer everything every time that the user presses an attention identifier whereas with a CICS system only the data on the screen that has changed (full screen on first display of a new screen only) would be transmitted so reducing line traffic to a minimum.
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I'm being slightly facetious (and arguably snobby about programming languages) - but pointing out that HTML is technically a markup language, not a programming language. Some people might argue the point, and that's up to them - I value their opinions about as much as I value a lump of dog mess.
It merely provides structure around the data associated with it, structure that provides information about how the data is presented to whatever receives it - such as a web browser displaying the information to the user: This piece of text is a title, this bit of text is important and needs to be emphasised, and so on.
That isn't to say there's anything wrong with HTML - far from it; unsurprisingly, I use it all the time because I tend to do my webby stuff by hand. I use HTML, the same way your programmers used HTML: To provide mark-up information, with some CSS thrown in to tell the browser how the mark-up should be presented to the user: how big that title should be, what typeface to use, it's colour, etc, and just how to emphasise that important bit of text.
But at no point do I consider writing some mark-up to be programming.
To be a true programming language, it needs to be (or at the very least be close to being) Turing Complete, which (perhaps oversimplified) means pretty much any algorithm can be implemented in it.
That said, this may or may not be different now - some pretty clever stuff can be achieved with HTML5, but since HTML5 is still fairly new (for some values of new) I'm jumping to conclusions about what version you meant and assuming it wasn't HTML5.
Even if not using HTML5, your programmers may well have been genuinely programming, perhaps developing a web app - but I'd expect the real baking was being done in something else, such as PHP for example, and the HTML was just the icing being used to decorate the finished cake.
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