I'm very new to practice and very small as I still work full time. I have a client that I do payroll for - although it's only 1 payslip and week! I took it on for the experience rather than to make much from it. I have also created a P&L statement for her from her accounting records - both of these tasks were charged. Now I'm getting lots of emails asking for advice on how to complete tax credits forms etc. I'm responding as I don't want to be rude but I'm thinking that I should charge for this sort of advice, however, I'm not sure how to approach it. I haven't included this in our engagement letter and don't want to appear unapproachable. I only have 3 clients at the moment and she's the only one that's actually paid me any money so far so I don't want to annoy her but feel that she is taking the mickey.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can deal with this now, and also, more importantly, with future clients? I don't want to be like a solicitor and charge for every email and phone call but feel that there should be a balance somewhere.
Many thanks
Alys
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Alys
Alys Stuart, Stuart Nicholls Accountancy Services, Preston, Lancashire.
Hi Alys
Clients will often come back asking you to do more than was originally agreed so you need a strategy that you will implement from the start. If you respond without setting your stall out then they will just keep on taking the mickey and you end up doing it for free. I understand what you say about doing things to gain experience but Im sure the clients dont know that, so they will be expecting the service you are promoting as a fully fledged bookkeeper or accountant, although some will always try to get away without paying! You mention doing a P&L - out of interest and as an aside - why not a BS too? Also - when you say 'advice' - are you talking tax advice as the thought comes to mind - are you covered for this with your PII? If its just about how to fill a form in then consider this an opportunity to add value to her - she doesnt know what she is doing, you do so help her out but charge for it. You just need to say that whilst it wasnt in the original engagement letter you are happy to quote her for doing the work. I dont get why you wouldnt want to be like a solicitor and charge (I charge an hourly rate, but split down into 5 minute chunks - solicitors usually do every 6 minutes!) but I dont also then charge for an email or call separately. None of my clients have an issue with this as I tell them from the start - Im in this to make money after all! I find picking up the phone and having that conversation is usually better than responding by email. It might be harder initially but its much less 'blunt' than an email. In this instance you could say that you havent charged her for the first 'x' emails but in future it will be £x - people always like to think they are getting something for free.
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Joanne
Winner of Bookkeeper of the Year 2015, 2016 & 2017
Thoughts are my own/not to be regarded as official advice,which should be sought from a suitably qualified Accountant.
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I need to be careful with my terminology - by Tax Advice I do mean just compliance and how to fill in the forms!
She asked me for some more advice, I said I would help at my normal hourly rate, the next day she announced that she had sorted it herself after 4.5 hours of checking - it would probably have taken me about 30 mins!! hopefully she's got the message.
I only did the P&L because that's all she was asked to provide for a Carers allowance application. She just gave me the figures I asked for and then answered my queries about the detail. When it got to the balance sheet side of things she wasn't interested as she didn't need that bit and wasn't prepared to pay for it! Getting information out of her is very difficult so I make sure that I state very clearly that I have provided figures based on information received (I haven't seen any original paperwork, she literally emails me numbers!).
I have also now approached another of my clients and mentioned that it is taking me longer than first thought to process her bookkeeping every month as I have to keep going back to her to ask questions, she has agreed to pay more! I felt very brave but I know that I need to do this as I don't want this to be a "hobby-job" for ever!
Thank you
Alys
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Alys
Alys Stuart, Stuart Nicholls Accountancy Services, Preston, Lancashire.