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Good Morning Folks

I have just taken on a new client who dropped off a bag full o receipts over the weekend !

I have a few questions regarding those receipts, and would be most grateful if you kind folks out there would provide me with feedback:

 

1. How would I record the details of the receipt on (say) an Excel spreadsheet? i.e. would I have a column for Date, Description, Net Amount, Vat, Total Amount?  How much 'description' do I need to record?

2.  If the receipt states 'Card Holder Copy', then  can I include that as a receipt?

3.  If the receipt states 'Card Voucher',  then can I include that as a receipt?

4.  How would  treat a  'cash back' amount on the receipt?  What figure would I record as an expense?

5. If the receipt states ' Today your discount card saved you ...',  then how do I treat that figure?  What figure would I record as expenses?

6.  If it states ' This is not a VAT receipt'.  Can I insist that the client showing me the VAT receipt?

7.  If the receipt says 'Customer Copy'.  Can I insist on seeing the original receipt?

8.  This client goes abroad on a few occasions and has receipts in Euros and other currencies.  How would I deal with that?

9.  If the receipt has a Total Amount and VAT amount stated on it, should I work out the Net value?

10.  If the receipt says 'Visa Debit - PIN verified' should I insist seeing the original receipt?

11.  Finally, how can I work out that the receipt is a business and not a personal expense?

 

Thanks in advance for your responses.

 



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Good Morning Folks

I have just taken on a new client who dropped off a bag full o receipts over the weekend !

I have a few questions regarding those receipts, and would be most grateful if you kind folks out there would provide me with feedback:

 

1. How would I record the details of the receipt on (say) an Excel spreadsheet? i.e. would I have a column for Date, Description, Net Amount, Vat, Total Amount?  How much 'description' do I need to record?

2.  If the receipt states 'Card Holder Copy', then  can I include that as a receipt?

3.  If the receipt states 'Card Voucher',  then can I include that as a receipt?

4.  How would  treat a  'cash back' amount on the receipt?  What figure would I record as an expense?

5. If the receipt states ' Today your discount card saved you ...',  then how do I treat that figure?  What figure would I record as expenses?

6.  If it states ' This is not a VAT receipt'.  Can I insist that the client showing me the VAT receipt?

7.  If the receipt says 'Customer Copy'.  Can I insist on seeing the original receipt?

8.  This client goes abroad on a few occasions and has receipts in Euros and other currencies.  How would I deal with that?

9.  If the receipt has a Total Amount and VAT amount stated on it, should I work out the Net value?

10.  If the receipt says 'Visa Debit - PIN verified' should I insist seeing the original receipt?

11.  Finally, how can I work out that the receipt is a business and not a personal expense?

 

Thanks in advance for your responses.

 


Hi

I would treat the small receipts just as you would ordinary invoices ie if you are missing one - ask the client for it/replacement, if it says it isnt a valid VAT receipt then you cant use it to claim VAT so if you need to get a valid VAT receipt.  It sounds like you may have received a few that have the card transaction information (ie just the amount/where spent and which card used) - what I call the top copy, WITHOUT the actual receipt part that shows what has been purchased (what I call the bottom copy).  You need to go back to the client and remind them that you really need both parts - the top copy so you can see which card has been used, therefore to know which Bank account to locate the transaction for when you complete the Bank check and reconciliation/the bottom copy (more important) to see what expenditure has been incurred so you know (1) where to apportion it in the expenses and (2) whether its a valid business expenses and (3) whether you can use it to claim the VAT back - remember some of these small receipts have the VAT number on the reverse.

For cashback - apportion that the drawings/DLA.   Then if they provide a receipt you can process that the other way via drawing/DLA.

Cardholder copy is valid (subject to the above) - the retailer copy is needed by the retailer for their records.

Business v personal - most of that will be decided by your initial discussions with the customer in getting to understand their business so you can ask yourself as your work through all the bits of paper - would this item be purchased for such a business, just as you would with normal invoices.   Just because a client puts an invoice through doesnt always mean its a business invoice and generally this is more so with small receipts as most people just tend to empty their pockets so you get all their private purchases too.  Anything you are unsure about you need to ask about but bear in mind there are quite a few clients out there (not all) who will try to put things through and justify them as business expenses when they clearly arent.   You have to use your judgement sometimes.  EG I get one client who buys toilet roll (thats ok as he has business premises) but the same receipt also includes chewing gum (not ok as clearly personal).

For the excel spreadsheet - include as much or as little information as you see fit or more importantly depending on what the client wants back from you.....he if needs any kind of anlaysed information them thats what you need to include.



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Hi Joanne

Thanks very much indeed for your comprehensive reply. It's very much appreciated.

I may come back, if I may, with a few more questions!!

Once again, thank you.

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No probs

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Good Morning Folks

I have a few more questions regarding the processing of receipts and would be most grateful if you kind folks out there would provide advice:

1. If the receipt states ' Today your discount card saved you ...', then how do I treat that figure? What figure would I record as expenses?

2. My client goes abroad on a few occasions and has receipts in Euros and other currencies. How would I deal with that?

3. If the receipt has a Total Amount and VAT amount stated on it, should I work out the Net value?

Thanks in advance for your responses.



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Hi
Thank you for your offline email - it is best that you keep such questions on the forum so that it gives other people the chance to respond and of course others the chance to learn. Now I can see that you have posted here as well.

1) Depends on whether the discount card is in the personal or business name.

2) If these go through the Bank then its easy to just use the commercial rate as they appear on the Bank statement. Of course Im assuming you mean that they have paid for items personally via cash - I used the commercial exchange rate for the day on which the payment was made (NB NOT the cash rate of exchange which is used for travel money!)

3) This one is down to your maths knowledge and understanding how to get gross from net and net from gross figures. Based on current vat level of 20 % only - vat 1/6, net 5/6.

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Good Morning Folks

Many thanks indeed for your past help, especially Joanne from Fallows Hall Ltd.

This new client of mine is a LTD company, and this is the very first LTD company client that I have taken on.

I have a few questions regarding the completion of tax returns regarding LTD companies:

1. Do I only need to complete just the CT 600 form for tax purposes? Is there a short and long version of this form?
If so, How would I know which one to complete? Are there any other forms which I need to complete?

2. I presume I need to complete the Statement of Comprehensive Income, Financial Position, and Cash Flow before completing the CT 600?

3. I take it there is no separate deduction for national insurance payments for LTD companies?

4. Is it right that I need to complete and submit the CT 600 within 12 months after the end of the first 12 months of trading and make payment within 9 months after the end of the first 12 months of trading?

5. It seems the client started trading in May 2014. Would I need to divide that in 2 periods i.e. 1/5/14 to 30/4/15 and 1/5/15 to present (or 30/4/16)? Does that also mean I have to complete 2 sets of CT 600 forms?


Thanks very much indeed for any responses.

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Hi,

Apologies in advance for what I am about to say, I mean no offence, but the questions you are asking in relation to Ltd Company filing make me question whether you should be taking on this kind of client at the moment. What is your experience / qualification to date ?

We all have our Firsts at some stage but feel you stand a good chance of providing an excellent service if the basics are covered along the way in the forum of training. I know from bitter experience that is why I make the above comment !

Julie




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Hi Majinder
Thank you for the kind words! I hope you got through everything ok.

I have to say - Julie makes a good point and I too hope you dont mind us saying this. From my own perspective I look after ONLY Limited Companeis - my choice, I just prefer them. But also - Im just a bookkeeper so once Ive finished my work I then pass it on to a chartered Accountant for them to complete the items you are asking about. (sorry to fellow bookkeepers out there for using the word 'just' there - no offence meant and I am proud of what I do as a bookkeeper! Again my choice!)

Saying that, if you are intent on going ahead I can say, what I have picked up over the years is as follows:-
1) Yes there is a long and short version of the CT600 - not sure of the difference, but here is some guidance (might be in there, not sure - but someone else might come and on assist further). Also note for accounting periods starting AFTER 1 April 2015 there is a new CT600 version 3. www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/415037/CT600_Guide.pdf

2) You will need to prepare statutory accounts in line with the requirements for the size of company you are looking at for HMRC and Co House eg might only need abbreviated accounts - depends on turnover and some other factors. But all the Accountants I work with also provide a fuller set to the Directors of the Company.

3) Are you thinking of the self employed issues? Then no. For Limiteds - consider payroll and P11D issues to cover NI. (Im sure some on here will also mention IR35)

4) Deadlines - www.gov.uk/prepare-file-annual-accounts-for-limited-company . Dont forget they also need to be submitted to Companies house within their timescales too.

5) I Think your dates may be incorrect. You need to be absolutely sure as to when the client actually incorporated the business as well as when the first transaction/trading took place. Also you need to find out the Accounting reference date - you can find out all of this (except trading date) from Companies House. I understand that in the first year you MAY need to complete two CT600s (with one set of Accounts) - The first CT return period only starts when the company starts trading, which is not necessarily immediately on incorporation- but this assumes HMRC was informed when the company started trading. Eg incorporated/trading 5 May 14, accounting ref date 31 May 2014 - so year end for Accounts is 31 May 15. CTs for 5 - 31 May 14 and 1 June 14 to 31 May 15.

Other things to consider - do you have the correct software for submitting such accounts - understand its in iXBRL format ? Also - will you be doing the Director's self assessments?

Correct me if I wrong someone - as I said, its just info Ive picked up along the way, Im not an Accountant.

Edit for spelling typo!



-- Edited by Cheshire on Sunday 5th of July 2015 11:32:59 AM

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Thanks Julie and Joanne for your very useful advice and comments.

Much appreciated.

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