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Sorry to Vince who already part answered this question for me on another thread (which I now can't find) 

I'm getting a muddle, the asset that was part exchanged cost nothing, zero and is in the fixed asset account as zero, so I want to show the 18,000 profit on the sale of the asset but I'm muddling up everything! I don't know how to show a profit on the sale of an asset in the profit & loss account. I've been going over this again and again and making a big mess blankstare

This is info that I have:

Purchase of a new tractor

Cost (ex vat)74,500
VAT14,900
Total cost89,400
Less: cash deposit11,300
Part exchange (inc vat)21,600
Total deposit32,900
balance financed56,500
Finance charge8,300
Admin Fee95
Balance payable64,895

And this is what I am doing wrong:

 

 DRCR
FA: P&M Additions74,500 
VAT input14,900 
EXPENSES: Profit on sale 18,000
Input VAT 3,600
Admin Fee95 
Creditors: HP Interest Reserve8,300 
Creditors: HP 76,195
FA: Disposals21,600 
??? 21,600
   
   
 119,395119,395


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Not sure if this will help Rachael, but I think your HP creditors should be 64,895 which means you're 11300 adrift which is the deposit amount. Not sure where you credit that to (bank?)

 



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Thanks John, I added the 11,300 deposit to the HP creditor then when the deposit was paid CR bank and DR HP creditor to bring the balance back down to 64,895

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The thread you want is "is there anyone who can check my journal for a part exchange asset please" - and until I looked for it now, I didn't know you'd replied! (This is a problem with the oddly low list of recent posts in the RSS feed - it's too easy for a post to appear and disappear again in the feed, with more posts being made while my computer is off/disconnected - for example, when I'm travelling.)

Anyway, back to the plot:

In that thread you said the disposed asset was "bought for £21,600 NO VAT" and now you're saying it didn't cost anything. :/

As an aside from anything else, please tell me where I can get a free asset worth that amount of money - it might be a type of plant and machinery I have no direct use of, but I'll happily sell it once I have it. :)

The other part that threw things out was that £11,300 deposit, which you didn't mention in the original query. My assumption was that the finance amount - that I'd worked out as £67,895 based on your figures - was net of interest, but it now looks as though that included the £8,300 interest. (So it was incorporated in the credit side of your journal after all - I still think that's an odd way to do it, but horses for courses.)

So, with your revised/complete figures, your new journal is more or less correct - subject to two things I can see.

One possible problem is that the amount you're crediting to the HP account has suddenly leapt up - by the amount of the deposit. However, if the deposit is shown as a payment debiting the HP account, that makes sense, so it's okay, and not a problem at all. (Edit: I see you've actually confirmed this in your subsequent reply to John.)

The other issue is the final two lines, which is what you are questioning anyway. Those lines were to remove the cost of the disposed asset from fixed assets and move it to the P&L against the proceeds. Since the cost was nil, those two lines aren't needed.

In fact, if they were needed, those two lines would be the other way around anyway - you'd be crediting fixed assets (to move the cost out) and the other side would be the debit to the profit/loss on disposal account into which the disposal proceeds had been posted.

To sum up, your journal should now look like this:

 DrCr
FA: P&M Additions     74,500.00 
Inputs VAT14,900.00 
Profit/Loss on disposal of assets          18,000.00
Inputs VAT 3,600.00
Finance admin fee95.00 
Reserve account for HP Interest8,300.00 

HP Creditor (Includes the admin fee and the interest) 

 76,195.00
   
Totals:97,795.0097,795.00

(Apologies if my account/line wording differs - I noted down your numbers on a piece of paper before replying, but not your choice of wording.)

 



-- Edited by VinceH on Friday 29th of January 2016 03:40:17 PM

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Hi Rachel
Is this part exchange as per our thread the other day, whereby no cash has been exchanged for the tractor, but there has been consideration by way of an exchange of services (so therefore there is a value on the part exchange)?

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Vince, thank you so much for your help!! Sorry I didn't say thank you earlier, I just got my last return filed....phew!

Thanks again for taking the time to explain everything so thoroughly - I've printed it off for future reference

And yes Joanne - I made a right balls up. All sorted now though, thank you

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Glad you got that one sorted - a great client for learning from hey......just not so great under pressure!



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