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Dear All

 

Could you tell me the reasons why on a tax return Class NIC 4 will be exempted? I am querying this for my wife

 

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John

 

 

 



-- Edited by Newbie84 on Thursday 28th of April 2016 02:08:00 AM

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Hi John
You have come onto a forum which is for discussions between fellow Bookkeeping and Accounting professionals. What I can suggest for your wife to find out more is for her to have a look at the Gov.co.uk website or telephone the newly self employed helpline. Or HMRC do run various webinars on such things. Although the best advice I can give if she is newly self employed is to get an Accountant on board early- she might think she can't afford one, but most Accountants end up unravelling such messes on a daily basis that most really can't afford not to.


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good morning John,

the reasoning behind Joannes guidance for non accounting people is that without knowing the full picture it is easy to take comments made here out of context and I think that all of us here have been faced by the results of that.

Generally the query in this area is over class 2 exemption rather than class 4. Have you also considered that?

Anyway, once a question has been asked here the post remains as a reference for others so...

For guidance over exemption refer to : www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/nimmanual/nim24510.htm

There is also no liability to class 4 if trading income does not exceed the lower profits limit (£8,060 for 2015-16).

... And there lies your problem in that the question that you asked about class 4 exemption makes me think that you may miscalculate the trading income which could cause you grief (i.e. class 4 liability is calculated on agregate trading income for the period after adjusting for capital allowances & trading losses but before pension contributions. Do you understand the link between depreciation of assets and capital allowances?

It doen't take much of a mistake for fines, penalties, surcharges and interest to outweigh the cost of an accountant.

As Joanne states, your best approach would be to get a good (#1) accountant on board from the outset. You will sleep better at night having a professional on board and knowing that your financial reporting is being handled correctly.

I wish you both the very best of luck with the new venture.

kindest regards,

Shaun.

#1 Good does not necessarily mean the largest or most expensive. Ask other local business people who they use and whether the accountant takes a genuine interest in their business. The best accountants really care about their clients businesses.

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Not specifically aimed at John but for many small businesses an accountant is looked upon as an unnecessary cost, particularly in that first year when most are anxious to keep costs to a minimum.

Most accountants will be more than happy to let you pay a monthly fee and spread the cost. By doing that you can call on the accountant when needed and at the end of the financial year it's not as painful because the majority of fees will already have been paid.  A good accountant will be worth their weight in gold and it's likely that the savings will outweigh the initial costs.  



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If you are over pension age you are exempt from class 4 national insurance

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Need to be careful here. It's State pension age and it depends when in the year that's attained. Also it's not the only exception.

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