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Lol, nothing quite like going straight to the nuclear option Johnny.

My reading of the question was more down to the mechanics of where the reinstall came from YEP!! 

 



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A quick reply to several posts because I'm stupidly busy atm...

Joanne said:

"it did us no flaming good did it!!! Comes to something when you start celebrating the fact that a ManU player scored for Germany!!"

John replied:

"I certainly wouldn't let the English team have a dog - they wouldn't be able to keep hold of the lead!!

Joking apart, the blame there lay solely at Roy Hodgeson's door, should have brought on an attacker rather than trying to defend the lead."

Umm... Wibble wibble guys. No idea what language you are talking. :p

Shaun wrote things I did understand:

"UEFU (Unified Extensible Firmware Update"

Close. It's UEFI - Interface, rather than Update.

"When you boot your machine you should not randomly press the PF keys. Generally to enter BIOS which seems to be what you were referring to you would hold down F2 on startup (be holding the key when you press the power button and release it as soon as you are given the option to enter the machines BIOS)."

 

Holding F8 when a Windows computer starts can usually boot Windows into "Safe Mode". When you do this you'll usually get a menu of options, such as running Windows with or without networking - and these days you usually also get the recovery options.

Recovery options will include access to the basic Windows restore, so if (for example) you've installed a piece of software and it prevents the computer running correctly, you can hopefully find a restore point created when the software was installed; restore that, and that software should now be gone - but all your files should remain intact.

At the other end of the scale, it usually includes the option to do a complete reinstall of the operating system - the same as putting in a Windows installation disk, booting from that, reformatting your hard drive and installing Windows afresh (along with all the pre-installed crud that the manufacturer dumped on your computer in the first place).

As you say, creating a boot disc should be an option - but that brings that crud with it. Installing from a proper Windows installation disc is preferable, but not many people want to buy a copy of Windows when they've already paid for it with the computer. One option is to borrow an installation disc (for the same version of Windows you have) and, when installing, use the licence keys that came with your computer - but that might not necessarily be ideal; although I've never done that, per se, I have installed a newer version of Windows onto an old computer with a new hard drive - and then had to seek out drivers for some hardware that Windows didn't understand out of the box.

I prefer, therefore, to create that boot disc*. As soon as I set up a new PC I do that, and then (as well as if ever I have to reinstall from that disc) go through what's installed getting rid of the unnecessary crud.

* Although I haven't done so for this computer - no optical drive - and unfortunately, I haven't been able to get the cheap piece of trash to boot from USB.

"(I find that many people working as PC repair guys are not experts)."

Amen to that. I've never yet met one who does it "professionally" who I would ever recommend to anyone.

 



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Philips external CD drIves are worth their weight in gold.....

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An interesting one from yester-year, pre installed office. COA couldn't be used again if the hard drive failed - required a clone of the HDD/SSD (before failure).

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Ok Shaun, yet again you single out my post to insinuate I'm wrong, again. Fine.

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"Philips external CD drIves are worth their weight in gold"

Well, I'd say external optical drives rather than limiting the brand to Philips, and limiting the type to CD. :p

However, connecting an external optical drive to a USB port is only half the problem. If, say, the hard drive needs replacing, then you'll need to boot from the installation media that external drive - so using my current laptop as an example, that external drive isn't going to do a lot of good if the computer doesn't seem keen on the idea of booting from USB.


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Yes there is that :)

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Unless the system is riddled with viruses, I've always found a back up, together with a fresh install is perfect- why waste fourteen times longer trying to solve an issue you may not find? Clearly issues could be failing RAM / HDD / CPU - yet generally it is down to Windows, less your HDD is throwing out more beats than Phil Collins playing the drums. Kind of ironic the back step into Windows 7/8 from 10 isn't all it seems...I wonder why! If you can't make a copy of your files whilst it is in situ, pull it out, stick it in an external HDD caddy, bingo - even if you think it is dead you can still extract X amount using forensic techniques, for which Linux and a caddy wins every time.

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abacus12345 wrote:

Unless the system is riddled with viruses, I've always found a back up, together with a fresh install is perfect- why waste fourteen times longer trying to solve an issue you may not find? Clearly issues could be failing RAM / HDD / CPU - yet generally it is down to Windows, less your HDD is throwing out more beats than Phil Collins playing the drums. Kind of ironic the back step into Windows 7/8 from 10 isn't all it seems...I wonder why! If you can't make a copy of your files whilst it is in situ, pull it out, stick it in an external HDD caddy, bingo - even if you think it is dead you can still extract X amount using forensic techniques, for which Linux and a caddy wins every time.


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I think the problem here is that there are probably a lot of people on this site who might read this and think its really simple, where in reality it isnt.  By doing this you might end up with a dodo, as opposed to spending a bit more time trying to sort an issue which means you are left with a workable PC/laptop.

Of course - techy bods such as some on here are clearly ok just ripping the guts out of their bits of kit, but I just felt a word of caution was required for the other 98% of us!



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abacus12345 wrote:

Ok Shaun, yet again you single out my post to insinuate I'm wrong, again. Fine.


Sorry for the delay, been a bit busy.

There's nothing personal. If I think that a post is incorrect or misleading I disagree with it no matter who posts it.

You post a lot, many of your posts state that they make assumptions, as such we're probably going to disagree a lot. That doesn't make it personal.

To be honest I'm quite surprised that you feel that way considering the number of quite amicable exchanges that we have had Johnny.

Which of course brings us onto your latest post. Its actualy quite nice that things have moved on and one can now boot from an external drive as in the old days it used to be that machines would not recognise an external drive or even a USB as the drivers needed to be on the system before it could use the external devices (bit of a catch 22 there).

Anyway, I digress. Can you explain what you mean about ripping the hard drive out of the PC and using it as an external drive instead and where the Linux operating system comes into that? Is that on a new HDD in the old machine that you have partitioned to hold multiple operating systems on?

Personally I feel that having a set of backup disks / backup drive and a regular file backup regime to non volatile storage (i.e. DVD's) in place does seem a much simpler option than ripping drives, partitioning and installing linux on a partition.

All seems a bit too complex for me but as I say I've probably missed something or over complicated it in my mind. 

 



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Joanne: I quite agree - you'll note, for example, that in my earlier post outlining courses of action for the "Windows 10 broke my WiFi" problem, as the advice got deeper, I made comments about being more wary and perhaps leaving it to the IT guy. And I like including caveats when I can, just to scare people off - such as my mixed reply above, and the comment about having to seek out drivers. =:o

Sometimes I do get it wrong, though, and forget the range the possible readership might cover - and/or where I'm posting (I inhabit more IT related mailing lists, newsgroups and forums...) However, to be fair to Johnny, at the point you've interjected he wasn't giving advice to anyone; he was being conversational about IT issues. At least that's how it reads to me.

Shaun: What Johnny is referring to is taking the hard drive out of a computer, and plugging it into an external device that has the necessary connectors (just like *inside* the computer) to take a hard drive. The device - or caddy - connects to the computer via USB, and the hard drive is then seen as an external drive.

The most common use for such a device (for me, anyway) is when someone's computer dies - and, like so many people, they don't have backups. As long as it isn't the hard drive that's failed, I can recover their files by simply making that old hard drive an external drive for the new computer, and copy their data over.

And, in fact, when the fan in my old Lenovo Thinkpad workhorse died, it was quicker and easier to do that to get *my* files onto the new computer than restoring a backup would have been.


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Point proven. At one point your speaking binary, the next your wondering about the basics. Hmmm. Ok Shaun.

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abacus12345 wrote:

Point proven. At one point your speaking binary, the next your wondering about the basics. Hmmm. Ok Shaun.


Being the generous sort I set it up to give you the opportunity to show that you knew something as you seemed to be getting your knickers in a bit of a twist about me picking on you.

Obviously the effort  / gesture was wasted on you.



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VinceH wrote:

Shaun: What Johnny is referring to is taking the hard drive out of a computer, and plugging it into an external device that has the necessary connectors (just like *inside* the computer) to take a hard drive. The device - or caddy - connects to the computer via USB, and the hard drive is then seen as an external drive.

The most common use for such a device (for me, anyway) is when someone's computer dies - and, like so many people, they don't have backups. As long as it isn't the hard drive that's failed, I can recover their files by simply making that old hard drive an external drive for the new computer, and copy their data over.

And, in fact, when the fan in my old Lenovo Thinkpad workhorse died, it was quicker and easier to do that to get *my* files onto the new computer than restoring a backup would have been.


Hi Vince,

Many thanks for the answer. In this instance it was actually meant as a rhetorical question intended as an olive branch for Johnny.

It was the keyboard that went on my old IBM (was an X12 rather than a thinkpad but had a similarly robust build). Took it appart and fixed it but boy can they hide some of the screws on that laptop!

kindest regards,

Shaun.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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So, anyway here's an update .

My email account has not been right since I was forced to download Windows 10. When I am writing an email the screen flickers and the text goes really big or really small, it starts to under line everything in red (just like when you make a spelling mistake) and if I want to go back and correct or amend an email I am writing I have to keep clicking the mouse in the spot I want to amend for ages because the cursor isn't there and I cant write anything.

Is anyone else having this problem? Its almost like there's a virus (but I know there isn't) Oh and finally : Don't laugh, where's the bloody home button?

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"When I am writing an email the screen flickers and the text goes really big or really small"

Don't know about that - but I wonder if it's down to the program you are using for email in conjunction with the next problem:

"it starts to under line everything in red (just like when you make a spelling mistake)"

i.e. I wonder if the program in question is doing that deliberately as another level of bringing the mistake to your attention?

The underlining itself is probably because you ARE making spelling mistakes as far as your current settings are concerned. One of the most common problems I've had to fix with people's Windows 10 downgrades is that it defaults to the wrong locale; it probably thinks you're in the Untidy States of Overpuddle, rather than the "Disunited Kingdom of Increasingly-less Great Britain and Northern Ireland (for now)".

In other words, it might think you're in America rather than Britain.

Offhand, I can't tell you exactly where the settings for this can be found (because I don't have anything running Windows 10) - but try going to control panel, and looking for "Locale" or "Location." Try also time zone settings if it doesn't jump out at you.

"and if I want to go back and correct or amend an email I am writing I have to keep clicking the mouse in the spot I want to amend for ages because the cursor isn't there and I cant write anything."

That's almost certainly something buggy (perhaps not fully compatible with Windows 10), or something running very slowly so not responding. I sometimes see that behaviour in Firefox on Windows 8.1 - usually when it's still fetching (or trying to fetch) data.

"Is anyone else having this problem? Its almost like there's a virus (but I know there isn't)"

Well, many would argue that there IS a virus on your computer: Windows 10.

At the very least it's spyware.

"Oh and finally : Don't laugh, where's the bloody home button?"

Ah, so let me guess: You're using Microsoft's new web browser, Edge? (I don't know if it lacks a home button - but that's something you expect to see on a web browser, so it seems a good guess!)

 



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Hi Vince

I've changed the location to English UK. And it starts underlining in red even when I've not made a mistake. I use BT (that's my home page) and don't know how to get back to the home page after visiting a site.

I've run virus checks , all seems ok. I don't think btinternet.com is compatible with Windows 10.

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"I've changed the location to English UK. And it starts underlining in red even when I've not made a mistake."

There might be more than one place that English/UK needs to be set. Bear in mind location and language aren't necessarily the same thing.

For example, if you were in France but spoke English, it would be a bit annoying if you told it you were in France and then it assumed you were speaking French. So as well as the location, you probably need to tell it what language to use as a second step.

As I said, though, not having a Windows 10 computer, I can't point you in the exact direction - only give hints and hope you can use them to find your way to the right setting.

But to help be certain about this, type in the word "color" (without a 'u') - does it underline that? (I'm guessing not, but it will underline "colour" (with a 'u').

Bear also in mind that as well as making sure Windows 10 is using the right location and language, it is also possible that the program you are using for email doesn't obey the OS settings (or can override them, and perhaps is doing so) and needs to be set correctly itself.

For example, Firefox can have its own dictionary set up independently of the operating system.

"I use BT (that's my home page) and don't know how to get back to the home page after visiting a site."

The home page isn't the web browser - the web browser is the program you are using to see that home page, and it's the name of the web browser itself that I asked about. Microsoft Edge is the new browser that Microsoft are including with Windows 10, and which it uses by default.

"I've run virus checks , all seems ok. I don't think btinternet.com is compatible with Windows 10."

I suspect you mean the btinternet.com web page and (again) Microsoft Edge, because I know the internet service itself isn't a problem. Replace it with Firefox or Chrome.



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Ok, I'll take a look ...thanks Vince

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Hi Georgie, Getting the home button back depends on the browser you're using.  I've attached a screenshot of the ones I have.

Left to right they are Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Microsoft Edge. If you can let me know which one yours is I'll see if I can help.

 

Which email program are you using?



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Morning John

It's Microsoft Edge and I use BT

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Hi Georgie.  Open edge and you'll see 3 dots in top right hand corner.  click on that and find settings. Click settings and scroll down to advance settings. Click on that and you will see "show the home button", slide that to on and a box will come up underneath.  If it shows BT that's fine if not past the following in:  home.bt.com

If you're using BT on the website for emails then it's a browser problem rather than the email I suspect.  May be worth downloading Firefox or Chrome, and after downloading type home.bt.com into google and trying it from there.

If that works I'll guide you through setting bt up as the default page with a home tab.



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"I've attached a screenshot of the ones I have."

What a facepalm moment.

When trying to establish the web browser in question, I did consider showing Georgie pictures of the icons, but I simply went to my search engine and typed in "web browser icons" - hoping that some anorak somewhere had decided to put up a page showing all the web browser icons they knew about, so that I could link to it.

Nothing jumped out at me - and I didn't think of looking for images of individual ones. (A screen grab from here wouldn't have helped because I don't have Win10, nor therefore Edge - at best, I could've put up a screen grab and Georgie could have said "it's none of those").

Ho hum.

In other news, my own laptop gave me issues this morning - with the web in particular - and it's left me so irritated that once I'd dealt with that and got the first lot of work done that I need to do this weekend [cloudy - so web problems were particularly frustrating], I started searching for a replacement.

It took a while to find one because I was specifically looking for a machine that definitely had a HDMI port. So many either didn't, or didn't say, with the only clue being low res, unclear pictures - or where they did have one, the spec was rubbish or the price too high, or the spec was rubbish *and* the price too high!

In the end, though, I discovered the right machine for Ł480 at Tesco, of all places. And that was when desperation led me to do generic searches instead of going to places I knew sold computers, because I'd run out of places I could think of.

It actually out-specs the best laptop I've ever had, my Lenovo Thinkpad workhorse (RIP), so I'm hoping it'll work at least as well for at least as long. In fact, I'll try to use Windows less, and set up a purely Linux desktop machine (original plan was to dual boot) - that can be used for the cloudy stuff, so with the laptop use reduced, it might be good for quite a bit longer still.

Oh yeah... the most important thing? Windows 7 Pro. :)



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I was thinking you might have gone for the Lenovo Ideapad 305 or similar, but then realised it's a W10 machine. Well done on getting W7 Pro, I should imagine they're getting harder to source.

 



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Ahhh.... Thank you John. I now can get back to home page..

If I down load Chorme do I need to tick the box"set google chrome as my default browser?"

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Georgie: Yes, if you want to use Chrome as your default browser (so it'll be the one run if you click links to web pages in other prigrams, or if you click on a HTML file, for example) then set it as your default browser.

(But beware, there are reports of Windows 10 reverting things like that after some updates).

John: Yes, there was a third (or even turd) problem when searching for something suitable: as well as poor spec, and/or overpriced, there was also a Windows 10 infestation on new machines.

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In the end, though, I discovered the right machine for Ł480 at Tesco, of all places. And that was when desperation led me to do generic searches instead of going to places I knew sold computers, because I'd run out of places I could think of.

It actually out-specs the best laptop I've ever had, my Lenovo Thinkpad workhorse (RIP), so I'm hoping it'll work at least as well for at least as long. In fact, I'll try to use Windows less, and set up a purely Linux desktop machine (original plan was to dual boot) - that can be used for the cloudy stuff, so with the laptop use reduced, it might be good for quite a bit longer still.

Oh yeah... the most important thing? Windows 7 Pro. :)


 Which one Vince? Is it supplied by one of their partners, Box or something like that? 



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Yeah, I think I saw the name Box on the order confirmation or on the product page, or somewhere.

I'll dig it out... Yes, yes I did se the name Box.

www.tesco.com/direct/asus-pu551-156-intel-core-i7-windows-7-pro-4gb-ram-500gb-laptop-black/518-5725.prd


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Hi John

I've downloaded Chrome....it seems to be ok so far ....how do I set it up as the default page ?

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Hi Georgie
Click the Chrome menu on the browser toolbar.
Select Settings.
In the "Default browser" section, click Make Google Chrome the default browser.

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VinceH wrote:

Yeah, I think I saw the name Box on the order confirmation or on the product page, or somewhere.

I'll dig it out... Yes, yes I did se the name Box.

www.tesco.com/direct/asus-pu551-156-intel-core-i7-windows-7-pro-4gb-ram-500gb-laptop-black/518-5725.prd


 Thanks Vince, might take a look at that myself



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When Chrome was installed, didn't it prompt you to set it as the default browser as part of the process? There's also a good chance it'll ask that each time it's run if it isn't the default - this is SOP for many programs; "Wibbler Premier Pro+ Ultimate is not currently the default program for Wibbling. Would you like to make it the default?"

But, yeah, if not, then as Joanne says. :)

If, OTOH, you were talking about setting btinternet.com as your home page within Chrome (since you asked how to set "it" as your "default page", then run Chrome and go to the page you want to set as your home page. (Make sure no other tabs are open if you only want it to be this one page). Now go to the settings as described by Joanne. Near the top you'll see a section called "On startup" - click the "Open a specific page or set of pages" option, then "Set pages". Click "Use current pages" then click "OK".

Joanne: When I found it Saturday, I didn't look properly at the specs, only the most important ones, and concluded it's not great, but it hits the key features, so it'll do. I looked properly afterwards and realised it's better than I thought. :)

On *paper* anyway. You never can tell. :)

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Ahhh brilliant...thank you guys!

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Glad you sorted it Georgie. So it was Microsoft Edge causing the problem.  Not a massive surprise, but did think that edge, er , had the edge over Internet Explorer.  Obviously not.

My main browser is Chrome, although I occasionally use Firefox, which I used to absolutely love, but it's gone down hill in the last couple of years.  



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Morning John

Yes all sorted thank you. I don't know why I didn't come on here and ask for help earlier instead of putting up with it for so long!

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John: Yes, the Firefox user interface has become attrocious - but you can still use what is ostensibly Firefox without some of that nonsense in the form of Palemoon: www.palemoon.org/

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Cool, I've not heard of this one before.  I especially like the start.me page which I will customise as I go along.  I've wanted something like that for a long time.

One snag.  It won't let me log into this site, I get the following error  "Login Failed - Sorry, we could not log you in because your browser is not accepting our cookies. Please enable cookie support and try again"  

I've had a read but can't see anything that would be preventing cookies as default, as Pale Moon use cookies themselves for adsense by the looks of it.

I've just tried logging into accountingweb and it asked me do I want to accept cookies, I said yes and logged into that ok.  Pale Moon hasn't improved the page layout though biggrinbiggrin



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I've not yet tried Palemoon myself - I bookmarked it to install on my next computer instead of Firefox, so that'll be RSN then!

Go into the options, and see if it has a private browsing mode enabled by default. In Firefox that's under the "Privacy" tab, so is probably similarly located on Palemoon. If not, check the cookie settings (same location) to ensure it isn't set to block them).

Another (I'd hope remote) possibility is that because it's forked from Firefox, it could be that they won't run reliably on the same computer - using some settings/file locations that clash. I won't know for certain unless I try it myself, though. Perhaps I will when I have time later.


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Hi Vince 

There's nothing blocking cookies, and I've just checked the cookie file and it's imported all the cookies across from Chrome, including for this site.  I've logged into two other sites without issue, so I'm wondering if this is a KKN issue with this particular browser.



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Odd. I'll install it myself tonight, then, and give it a try - with this forum being my first target.

(I'm having a blonde moment on what a "KKN issue" is, though. The only thing I can think of is an airport - Kirkenes, in Norway - and that's only because I happened to see or hear it mentioned somewhere very recently. Probably a TV quiz.)

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I haven't a clue either, maybe it was a BKN one  (embarassed emoticon)



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KKN issue ... BKN issue - D'oh! Didn't spot the obvious connection.

Anyway, I've installed Palemoon, and I've logged in with it (and posting this reply) with no problem - suggesting the problem may be to do with your system or your settings.

I assume when you installed it you clicked on the "Quick install" option - so I did. (I usually opt for an advanced install option if there is one, but I find most people go for the quick option, so it made sense to do that on this occasion). If so, mine should be set up the same as yours.

So... odd. :/



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Curiouser and Curiouser....

I came to it the next day and logged in again, and this time it said username/password incorrect.  Strange.  Definitely the right password I thought, so I logged out of chrome and it can't have been, cos I got the same message. And now I couldn't get on bkn at all.

Anyway tried again tonight after resetting the password, and it logged me in successfully, and promptly logged me back out again (using Pale Moon) every time I tried to make a post! 

I've now downloaded it to my home computer and bingo, logged in straight away and I'm typing using the browser.  Definitely some settings on my work comp that are wrong.  The only difference is I purposely haven't imported the chrome bookmarks, history etc. on the home install, so I wonder if that had owt to do with it?  I will uninstall the other one tomorrow and re-install without importing.

 



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Revisiting the joy of Windows 10 and the problems it has brought to so many people...

I received an email from Sage today. The gist is that some Sage 50 Accounts users are unable to use the software since their Windows 10 machines received the adversary anniversary update.

It doesn't state which version(s) of 50 Accounts - but the workaround page (linked from the email and the webby version) mentions the .NET framework 3.5; so any version that uses that could be affected.

 



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Hi Vince
No idea if one of my clients accesses Sage via windows 10, but sent them the workaround just in case. Typical bloody Microsoft. Also just to say - thank you for the update.


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They *should* have received the email themselves - but I had a phone call this afternoon from an 'occasional' client who uses Sage 50, and who had the problem but who apparently didn't get the email*. I forwarded the link to the workaround to them, with the instruction to try it and if it doesn't work call me back to arrange a visit. They didn't call back so I guess it worked.

I forwarded the link to El Reg last night, and they reported on it today. In the comment thread, someone said they also had the problem with Sage 200. I'm also surprised Instant wasn't mentioned, because (AFAIK) Instant is basically a cut down version of 50, and built on the same framework.

* Many possible reasons: Changed email addresses, caught in a spam filter, etc.

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I have sage 50 and it was installed recently as one of my other clients and neither of us have had any emails!!

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In that case, perhaps it's because your (and their) Sage versions are new enough that they're unaffected (i.e. not using .NET 3.5)? As I said when I posted the link, the email didn't specify which versions are affected - and I'm still running 2013 after my disagreement with Sage.

(As it happens, that disagreement was about their mishandling of my email address - and the last time I spoke to them they promised that they had removed all traces of it from their records. I therefore should *not* have received this email because they shouldn't have my address - but while I should be miffed about that, under the circumstances, I'm glad I got it.)


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Lol on the email!!

I know sage have hot mine from all the junk they keep sending me.

Think I would've heard from my client if they had probs as they access it to do invoicing every day. Sorry to say I have no clue what that net thingy is! But at lest I have a workaround for any of them who need it



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Sage have now issued an update to solve the problem - details here.



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