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Hi, I would love some advice on this problem.  I have two clients who are sole traders and live together, one runs a cafe and the other a delicatessen in separate business locations.   However, all correspondence, invoices etc go through one email address. Some deliveries are made to one business and the owner then collects them for the other business. At times both of them work in either shop. Business names are very similar. One of the businesses is now about to reach the VAT threshold, the other one will probably also hit this in the next 6 months.

I know I have read somewhere that HMRC could view them as one entity but I can't find it anywhere.  Have I imagined this? if not can anyone point me in the right direction as I would like to share this detail with them.

I would also be interested to know what you would advise them to do? Should they become a partnership or Limited company?

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Denise

 



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Can't recall nor see your background at the moment so on the latter you need the Accountant to run the numbers. If you are their Accountant then you need to run their numbers.

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Thanks Joanne, 

I am a bookkeeper but just started this year so still learning. What do you mean by run their numbers?



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Hi Denise,

The HMRC guidance that you are thinking of is I assume : www.gov.uk/government/publications/statement-of-practice-4-1983/statement-of-practice-4-1983

You may find this article useful : www.taxationweb.co.uk/tax-articles/vat-a-excise-duties/separation-of-business-activities.html

I would advise them to run their businesses as properly seperated entities and stop assuming that the little things like deliveries and shared email addresses do not matter... Most important one, can I assume that they are seperate bank accounts in the names of the businesses?

As for the form of their businesses there is a lot to consider and I would be adverse to advising without knowing the intricacies of the business(es) in question.... That said, I personally never advise on partnerships as a business model... The seemingly innevitable acrimonyous divorces are a lot messier than with incorporated entities.

kindest regards,

Shaun.

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Denise Forrest wrote:
What do you mean by run their numbers?

 The accountant needs to "run the numbers" using both business models to determine in which scenario the client will be better positioned (all things considered including eventual exit strategies).



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Thanks Shaun on my phone and it's driving me nuts so hence short reply!

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